This lady needs to go to jail

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This lady needs to go to jail
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Fri, 06-17-2005 - 11:26am

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Sun, 06-19-2005 - 9:59pm

I am just as against pure bred animals as you are. I was not directing that post at any one person. I was simply trying to say 'think before you type, this is nothing new.' I am against pure bred animals for the same reasons. They are inbred (in some breeds quite highly) and are predisposed to many health and temperment problems. I never said that it was you who said that she should be shot but if you go through and read the posts others have.

I do not at all agree with what she is doing. I think that breeding should be left to people with experience (or who are guided by an experienced breeder) and who are dedicated to doing what can be done to help eliminate or reduce the existing health problems in the existing breeds. We don't need new 'exotic' breeds.

Quite honestly I would love for there to be no pure bred animals at all. I think most people see them as a status symbol. A 'look at what I can have' kind of thing. I do understand that in animals like the dog there is still a place for some breeds and they can still do the work that they were meant to do but what family NEEDS a Golden Retriever or a Lab? Just about any dog from the pound will fill the same spot in a family if it is socialized and trained properly.

As far as I am concerned with cats.. Pure breeds are pointless. I know I am going to get more flaming from that statement right there but that is my opinion. A 'mutt' cat is going to be healthier and live longer if properly taken care of and provided for. There are even soem breeds who are no longer able to do what nature intended them to do (hunt mice and other rodents) because we have bred them to have 'smashed' faces or short legs.

I am completly against anybody breeding any animals for the money they can get out of it. I think ALL pets should be required to bespayed and neutered to prevent unwanted litters and to prevent people from doing what this lady is doing and to prevent them from trying to use them as 'cash cows'.

Turdle.

All that being said, those of you who read the dog boards likely know that I am planning on getting an Australian Shepherd in the spring. I feel the need to make myself clear on one point concerning this. While I would prefer to go to the pound and rescue a dog my boyfriend would rather know exactly what he is getting rather than have the questionable backround. Since he does not like dogs I think that this is a reasonable request. He made clear to me what he was against and left the decision of the breed up to me since it will be my dog. I have spent several months researching breeders and trying to find one who cared about the animals and is doing their best to reduce the common health problems in these dogs. This will be the first pure bred animal I have ever adopted/bought. (I specify this because I was given a pure bred English Lop Rabbit when I was 14 or so.) This research of breeders has come close to a year of researching the breed itself and talking to owners/breeders to be sure that this is a breed I would be happy with and that the dog I get will not end up in a shelter or rescue.

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Sun, 06-19-2005 - 11:53pm
While I thank you for being honest, I do not agree with the dog. The way I look at it, buying from any pure breeder (good breeder or not) supports the whole industry. I would rather see all breeders go under from no business personally. There are far too many homeless animals to justify breeders in my opinion. Just my opinion.


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Sun, 06-19-2005 - 11:57pm

But - a Lab/Golden/Chessie (my breed of choice) are bred as much (or should be) for their hunting ability. Our Chessies that we bred, or have directly from a breeder, are. Their quality is not set by how pretty they are, but how nicely they work in the field, and how well they do their job. I can't get that trait consistantly from a shelter dog.

A Border Collie, or ACD, or any herding dog SHOULD be able to work whatever animal they were bred for. You can't find that in shelter dogs always. A Terrier should be able to go to ground or hunt vermin as they should be bred for. If I didn't hate them so much, I'd have a JRT to control the mice that come with the horses.

There in is the problem - breeders who are breeding for pets and for profit vs breeders who are working to improve and maintain a breed for what it's bred for even vs breeders who are just breeding for show, which can and does ruin a breed.

The first is a puppy mill/BYB and shouldn't be supported.
The second is who should be supported if that's exactly what you want in a dog.
The third is in it for something, tho' I'll never understand what, ruins breeds, and shouldn't be supported or allowed by AKC and the others - yet all too often is. An American bred GSD can't herd to save it's life these days, and an AKC CH standard Am Cocker can't hunt in the field to save it's life these days - but those are what win in breed divisions. That's W-R-O-N-G!

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Mon, 06-20-2005 - 1:42am

Dogs that work are a pure beauty. I did not mean to say that all dogs should be reduced to mutts because I can see where some of them are still used and even needed for the jobs they perform. I think I said it in there somewhere. I should have coppied it from the original post but I am a bit too lazy to go back. Forgive me on that :)

Horses are the only other animal that I can see having different breeds of because a gentle childrens riding horse would not be capable of pulling a cart and a draft horse may not be gentle enough for children to ride.

For the average household though there is no need whatsoever for a pure bred dog. Most people do not hunt anymore. Yes, I do realize that quite a few people still do but this is vastly outweighed by those who don't. While the hunters may benifit from having a dog who still has the instinct and the body type to do its job most people don't.

Part of the reason that I chose the Australian Shepherd for my dog is because they are still used for what they were bred to do. Not as much as a Border Collie perhaps but they are still used for herding. I am honestly looking forward to learning to herd wiht my dog though I will not be able to do it every day as these dogs were meant to.

All of this reminds me of the Animal Planet show 'That's My Baby'. I do not watch it all that often (don't care for TV) but occasionally I do catch it.. It always seems to be someone who is breeding their dog because they think it's so cute and it has champions in its lines.. That kind of thing sickens me. The average person shouldn't be allowed to breed their dogs. People who breed for money or 'to have puppies in the house', or so their kids can see a live birth tend to sicken me. I wish it were different but I do not think that it will change. Esspecially with programmes like this which seem to promote it.

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Mon, 06-20-2005 - 10:45am

The other part of this whole breeding vs no breeding...

Let's say by some fluke of luck, you manage to make it so there is NO breeding what so ever of cats/dogs. What happens - in 20-25 years, we have none left. The population will die of due to age.

That's not going to happen, obviously.

If you can only have moggie kitties - what's going to happen is what happened before. Person A is going to think "Oh, you know what, I really like the way my cat looks with the long fluffy coat, smaller body, and the docile personality - and Joe down the street, his cat is just like this - so let's have a litter" and then they think "You know these cats are great, but they are a million times cuter with rounded faces" and it goes on and you have Persians again. Feel free to do that with any breed.

Also - moggies aren't entirely free of defects. Our stray kitten - nothing more than your standard torbie mutt kitty who showed up at the door one day - has got such bad knees that amputation is becoming the best option on one side - and two of three vet schools aren't sure the "good" side will hold up after surgery. But, then again, we've also discussed the possiblities of doing a knee replacement - possibly bilateral. No one is quite sure yet on if that'd work, or even if it can be done.

And you still have people like me - if we ever get another cat vs the ones that just show up and need a home badly - I'm not inclined honestly to look for a shelter cat. It sounds awful, but I want a seal point Siamese. That's all there is to it. I like their appearence which I'm not finding in a shelter cat, but more importantly, I absolutely LOVE their personalities which I've never seen in a shelter cat. Yes, I might go to Meezer Rescue, but in the end - it's either a Meezer or no other cat. And there is a part of me that wants a Meezer kitten, from a quality breeder, just so I know exactly what I'm getting and what to expect - I've got enough problem children, I don't need more.

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Mon, 06-20-2005 - 12:46pm

I'm not sure if amlydosis is still raging through the Abys or not, but I assume so.


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Mon, 06-20-2005 - 4:17pm
Haven't read all the replies to you yet but how about contacting a rescue group, such as peta or other, even if you don't agree with them on everything and let them make a big, loud public stink about it!!! The woman mentioned should get in trouble. As usual it all boils down to making money. Donna
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Mon, 06-20-2005 - 4:30pm
PETA? Ahh, no. Did you read my other thread on them???


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Mon, 06-20-2005 - 5:51pm

ITA with your posts on Peta. Their very name is an oxymoron as there is nothing "ethical" about this group. They do more to harm their cause than help it.

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Mon, 06-20-2005 - 8:06pm
Oh, yeah, I read what you wrote, thought you could use them for some good! I mean if they want to really help animals... Donna