Question on keeping dogs penned up outside

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Question on keeping dogs penned up outside
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Tue, 08-07-2012 - 5:19am

Hi, being a first time furmom and my Rudi is my sweet lap dog, I am having trouble accepting the neighbors 8 week old German Shepherd and Elkie mix is livng outside in a penned up area.  The other night we had awful thunder, lightning and heavy rain and the little guy was out there in his pen.  Yes, they have a dog house for him, tarp to give him some shade, food and water but is it OK that he sleeps and lives out there all the time unless the 2 small kids are outside playing.  And living in Ohio, the amount of time kids are playing outside is going to be less time over teh winter months.   I guess the husband said no dog will be in his house.

I drive right by his pen when I come and go and he looks so sad, or am I putting human emotions onto an animal?  But I know there is critics for me that I keep my Rudi in her crate at times.

Just wondered what you all thought.  I saw the wife cuddling him last night in her arms in the back yard so I don't mean to imply the puppy never gets atttention.

thanks,  Josie

 

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Registered: 11-21-2001
Tue, 08-07-2012 - 2:43pm

It seems as if they are doing what is "legally" acceptable as far as their dogs are concerned.  They have shelter, food and water for them.  However, "morally" is a completely different thing.

Dogs are pack animals and are happiest when they are with their "pack"....which means their human family.  I can understand having the dogs outside for a time (even though I don't believe in this) but, to me, all the time is not acceptable at all.  Especially for an 8WO puppy....that's way too young to be outside in the elements, any elements.

They probably think of their puppy as a "guard dog".  After having done german shepherd rescue for a couple of years I can tell you that, at some point, no one, including the family, is going to be welcome in that yard.  German Shephers are very territorial and if left outside for too long they begin to think of the yard as their territory...and no one else is welcome.

I don't understand why some people get dogs....it's so sad for both of those poor dogs.  Before you know it the mother is not going to find time to "cuddle" that cute puppy that has turned into a large dog....and they will be on their own all the time.  To me, that's animal abuse.

And don't ever think that you are wrong by crating Rudi when you aren't around...it's the smart thing to do.

Laura
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Wed, 08-08-2012 - 9:20am

I'm not crazy about puppies being in the house either.  I hate house training them, and chewing stuff up, but we endure it.  We have a fenced yard, and when she absolutely drives us crazy, out she goes.  But we have her in the house alot.  I think it's called "imprinting".  So far, she has learned her name and "sit".  but we have a long way to go. Have you had a chance to go to dog training classes.  It's  amazing how much fun they are.  Now I know I'm doing everything wrong....:smileyhappy:



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Wed, 08-08-2012 - 12:55pm

How old is your puppy?  Are you crate training her?

Unfortunately, no matter how cute, puppies can sometimes get on your "last nerve".  There have been many times when I had puppies that I just wanted to open the front door and let them loose (not that I ever would....LOL).  But crate training is great because the puppy is safe and secure when they can't be watched....and they're not free to be destructive or injure themselves.

And professional training definitely goes a long way not only to train out the bad habits, but to socialize a puppy so that they will become a great companion animal.

Also....I doubt if you're doing "everything wrong".  Training a puppy takes a lot of time, patience and love....but it's definitely worth it.

Laura
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Registered: 11-04-1999
Wed, 08-08-2012 - 4:46pm

Thanks Laura.    My little Rudi doesn't seem to mind the crate but is always happy I am home and like now napping at my left side after she ran around and got food and water.   I felt so bad for neighbor's puppy as I drive within 2 feet of it and he looked out at my car like he was lonely.   3pm in the afternoon,  I saw the one car was home so I don't know as I was volunteering at a food bank 5 hrs and maybe they were socializing with him all afternoon and the 2 small human kids went down for a nap.  I am almost relieved I don't have a clear shot of the kennel from my house.  I know the one neighbor does and she is not too happy with the setup at all.

The one saving thing is they both have family with lots of land nearby so maybe puppy will get adopted out to one of them if they see this way is not working too well.

thanks for your input,   Josie.

P.S.  I can't imagine being home and not having Rudi with me in the house, but then she is my best friend since being a widow I am alone and it varies how much I see my different friends.

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Wed, 08-08-2012 - 4:50pm
I took Rudi to dog training classes last summer. This trainer was recommended by a different vet; she was the dog training from Hades. Believed in giving pieces of hot dog nonstop during the day in lieu of bowls of regular dog food. I went like 6 times and all she did was criticize me, and we learned very few useful things. It was such an awful experience, I think I am burned from trainers indefinitely. We are doing OK with how things are, she hasn't had potty accident in forever and honestly, I am not that concerned on her knowing a bunch of other stuff at this time. Just my 2 cents on it. Josie
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Registered: 11-21-2001
Mon, 08-13-2012 - 1:16pm

I believe that obediece training is great...if you have the right trainer.  Sometimes a trainer just doesn't "click" with an owner or dog....or just does the type of training that is not appreciated....or wanted.

Years ago I had a friend who bought a boxer puppy.  She decided to bring him to obedience training.  She told me that, at the first lesson, the trainer actually dragged a small dog by his leash across the room because the dog wouldn't listen to a simple command!!  Last time there ever....  She then tried another trainer that did wonders with her dog....so, as with everything, you have to research and find what's right for you,

Laura
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Registered: 11-21-2001
Sat, 09-08-2012 - 1:15pm

When we lived in NJ we had a very large yard....and when we had two dogs we would let them out to play together but only when we were home....and I would often just look out to check on them even though we had a 6 ft wood fence.  Now I let my Cleo out in the yard so that they can walk around and explore....but only for short periods of time.

I do understand that there are homes where dogs are used to being outside and, as long as they have proper shelter, food and water as well as attention by their family if it works, then fine.  But, honestly, to me those families are pet owners...not pet lovers.

And...there are exceptions; years ago my SIL owned three dogs; two were inside dogs and one was outside all the time.  It was the "dog's" decision.  Her dog, Snoopy, just did not want to be inside.  Even when the weather was really bad and my BIL brought Snoopy into the garage to be out of the weather he would get crazy.  He lived in an outside pen with a large, insulated dog house....the family would spend time with him but he just did not want to be inside.

Laura
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Registered: 02-16-2008
Mon, 09-10-2012 - 11:54am
Can I provide a different perspective? I have two hounds, and both are outside. They prefer not to be separated (as in, even sleep in the same doghouse), but one panics if she gets too close to the house. And by panics, I mean jerks the leash, slings drool everywhere, eyes roll back in her head. With all her other issues, I can't force her inside.

That said, my girls are spoiled rotten. They get premium dog food, several hours a day in a fenced in yard or on 30 foot tie-outs, and plenty of social interaction. And the one who doesn't freak out gets to go places with us (the one with issues is scared of the car as well). My husband is currently planning to use part of his paternity leave to construct them a bigger house so they have more room to stretch out if they wish.

I do understand that some people just get dogs and stick them outside and treat them as less important. But to lump all of us into that category isn't really fair. Not all people that keep their dogs inside are treating them well either...

And just because I'm a proud mama, here are a couple videos of my girls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDlgIFDp4nY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XumzeqD_lwc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKPJY1LJneQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzDSpbW3pb0
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Registered: 11-21-2001
Mon, 09-10-2012 - 2:06pm

You're right....and if you read my last post you'll see my own SIL had an outside dog because that dog "wanted" to be outside.  I also understand that in many rural communities dogs or cats are outside for various reasons.

But when a family purchases a dog "for the kids" but doesn't want that dog in the house, that is cruel to me.  I've had people tell me that they "don't want dog hair in the house" so they don't allow their dogs in the house.  Well then....don't get a dog.

In your case it seems as if your pups are perfectly happy and well-cared for the way they are.

How does the one dog handle it when the other goes places with you?  when I volunteered at a German Shepherd rescue we once had two dogs that were so bonded that we couldn't even walk one without the other on Adoption Days....if we tried the one left in the crate would carry on and bark like a lunatic.

And your girls are just beautiful.....

 

Laura
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Registered: 02-16-2008
Tue, 09-11-2012 - 10:11am
Thanks Laura. And yes, I read the part about your SIL. The judgement just gets to me sometimes. My girls are totally for me. :smileyhappy: As for dog hair, it's in my house even if the dogs aren't. It's one of the negatives of having 55-60 pound lap dogs.

The one pouts, but she literally couldn't handle going places. She'll finally be around people, but no one can touch her, and that's only happened since the redbone joined the family.

The day we brought Odella home, I stuck them both on leash for a walk as an introduction. They went shoulder to shoulder the whole way, and have been like that ever since. I truly believe that dogs have soulmates, and we were lucky enough to find them for each other.
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