2 Muslim leaders removed from plane after pilot refuses to fly them

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2 Muslim leaders removed from plane after pilot refuses to fly them
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Sat, 05-07-2011 - 12:01pm
I would have fired that pilot!

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Registered: 03-09-2001

YIKES! :O And TSA vetted them with all the other passengers, but the pilot refused?! And the only basis was some other passengers might be "uncomfortable?" I wonder if we'll ever hear the results of the "investigation..." If it's just on that basis, then of course it was racist and wrong. But we all know that security check points, despite all the horrible invasiveness of it now, aren't fool proof or criminal proof. But, we have to get a grip. Just because of people's clothing or religion, we cannot deny them the same respect and same rights as we want protected for ourselves, just because they are "different." Rips the foundation right out of our own guarantees of freedoms, denying some of our citizens their rights, just based on being "different" than the majority in beliefs or dress.

I think our paranoia will grow because now that the snake head of al Queda was cut off by the killing of bin Laden, new heads are growing and threats are escalating against us. There will be more scrutiny as threats to attack trains and other targets in the U.S. are issued. The snake is not dead. Just growing new heads. Where do we go from here? To put an end to the terrorists without turning into a totalitarian country where our very inhales and exhales, clothing, religion, so-called freedom of speech, become regulated by the gov't? eek6.gif



Blessings,

Gypsy

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Registered: 11-13-2009
I don't have any sympathy. Wonder if they jumped up and attacked Muslim actions against the rest of the world after attacks. I didn't hear it.. It's not enough to be a Muslim leader.. you have to show it, live it, prove it. in my eyes. Or get the hell out of our airplanes right after bin laden is killed, and al quead has threatened us again. Put on regular clothes ifd you have to. I don't care, andi have no sympathy.

 

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Registered: 02-05-2011
I suspect the pilot had some rational for his action. Until we can hear from all parties, it'll be tough to understand why this happened.
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Registered: 05-03-2011
I find it despicable that Muslims are discriminated against in such a way. They were screened and cleared by the TSA. Do you have a list of every single Muslim in the U.S. and whether or not they denounced terrorism? Do you have the same expectation for people of other religions when some of their extremists commit atrocities?
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Registered: 05-03-2011
The pilot's rationale was that some passengers might feel uncomfortable. That's not good enough.
iVillage Member
Registered: 02-05-2011
I haven't read an interview with the pilot. Perhaps you have, if so, please provide a link. I'm interested in understanding all sides of this issue.

Until we hear from the pilot, we only have one side. I'd rather decide on a news story if all sides are available.
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Registered: 05-03-2011

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-08/travel/muslims.kicked.off.plane_1_pilot-small-commuter-plane-imams?_s=PM:TRAVEL

It appears that Atlantic Southeast Airlines isn't talking...they are "investigating." However, note that they offered the men a different flight, so it does appear that it was based on the pilot being a bigot.

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-05-2011
I read your link, it appears one of the alleged victims is speaking for the pilot, telling readers what the pilots motives were. I read no comment or quote from the pilot. Until we do, it's tough to make a decision about the pilots motive.
iVillage Member
Registered: 05-03-2011

Apparently the pilot's motives weren't strong enough for the airline to prevent the men from flying since they promptly offered them a different flight. The pilot made the wrong call and I hope he/she gets disciplined appropriately for discriminating against passengers.

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-05-2011
We do not have all the information to determine what the pilots motives were. If the motive was reasonable, there may be no victim. I've been bumped from an overbooked flight before, and do not believe it was due to my religion or race. Eventually the pilot will speak, and we will be better able to evaluate.

For the moment, we have 2 people who got bumped. They may have been bumped due to their religion or due to other factors, the pilot must speak.

Here is an example of the problem with jumping to conclusions based on only one side of a story http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27820821/detail.html?cxntlid=cmg_cntnt_rss

The imams said they were victims of racial profiling. On Sunday, Capt. James Ray, who represents the pilot’s union for U.S. Airways, said it’s highly unlikely the pilot asked them to leave for that reason.

"I can promise you the captain didn't throw those people off because of the way they were dressed. There's more to the story,” Ray said.

The imams said the pilot told them the passengers were uncomfortable, but no passengers spoke up.

Ray said ultimately, it’s the captain’s call. “The captain operates in an environment that's always changing. It's dynamic. You can't fly an airplane by committee,” he said.

Ray said last week, every pilot in the country received e-mail briefings from their airlines warning them to be on high alert because of Osama Bin Laden’s death. He said that may have played in a part in Friday’s decision.

"We don't know if he had a message from air traffic control. We don't know if he got a message from his corporate security people to take these people off. We don't have all the answers."

The imams were headed to Charlotte for a weekend conference on "islamophobia" - the fear of Islam.

They were put on another flight and arrived a few hours later.

Atlantic Southeast Airlines released a statement and said it apologizes for any inconvenience but it takes security very seriously. The imam's attorney said his office plans to launch an investigation into the incident. If it turns out the pilot was not justified in putting the imams off the plane, his office will sue for negligence and a violation of civil rights.

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