Bradley Manning tortured?

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Bradley Manning tortured?
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Thu, 12-08-2011 - 7:43pm

Bradley Manning tortured?

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Thu, 01-05-2012 - 7:23pm

Manning did the same thing "Deep Throat" had done - reveal the government scandal. He was punished to intimidate other whistleblowers.

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Mon, 01-02-2012 - 11:51pm

I used the dress code as an example of how life in the armed forces is not necessarily "constitutional". The UCMJ itself has a fair number of UNconstitutional restrictions on personal actions (going AWOL for instance) and freedoms of speech (Article 88).

Uniforms, at least in the armed forces, are a way to foster a......well.....uniform and disciplined unit. Makes some sense.

There's a difference between uniforms and dress codes. Requiring women to wear dresses, while shopping in taxpayer-funded facilities, was just plain sexist and IMHO, authoritarianism run amok. Civies (military dependents aside) would certainly balk and likely invoke the Constitution at some point in the appeals process!

Jabberwocka

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Mon, 01-02-2012 - 11:06am
There is a judge in my local court who requires female counsel to wear dresses or skirts and males to wear suits and ties.

Such is life in America. The military has authority over it's bases per the UCMJ. If you don't like uniforms and dress codes, don't live in military housing or shop at military stores.

My daughter goes to a school that requires uniforms. I'm guessing somehow that's good, but dress codes by the military are bad??
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Sun, 01-01-2012 - 10:28pm

Several thoughts.

Jabberwocka

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Sun, 01-01-2012 - 5:18pm
The UCMJ regulates behavior of our military.

The Supreme Court has rightly determined the freedoms we enjoy in public spaces are more limited than in private. Out of uniform, without reference to rank, outside public property, and without soliciting those in uniform, a person serving our nation in the military has the same freedom as someone not.
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Sun, 01-01-2012 - 2:09am

You ascribe much power to the ACLU.

Jabberwocka

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Sat, 12-31-2011 - 7:35pm
A reasonable assumption would be the UCMJ is Constitutional or the ACLU would have long ago abolished it.

As to how Manning had access to information, or if he committed any crime, that is up to the courts to determine. As to the claims of torture, who is the commander in chief? The buck stops there.
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Fri, 12-30-2011 - 6:59pm

Huh.

You and I both know that some of the stuff in the UCMJ is NOT constitutional, particularly freedoms of speech.

Manning is a PFC, for crying out loud. How on God's green earth he was given access to reams of secret/top secret information ought to be the main issue; and is an indictment of his superiors, every bit just as much as of Manning himself. There are higher-ups in the chain of command who should be taking the fall too, but if they have, it certainly has been far less public than Manning's treatment has been.

I tend to agree with P.J. Crowley on this one. "......the Pentagon’s treatment of Manning at the Marine brig at Quantico, Va., was 'ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid'.”

Edited to add that IF the earlier post is legit and not sheer hysteria or spin taken out of context, Rand Paul is shamelessly fearmongering.

Jabberwocka

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Thu, 12-29-2011 - 12:57pm
It is doubtful any deprivation of due process for a sustained period to any citizen of the U.S. by it's government would be considered Constitutional by our Supreme Court.
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Fri, 12-23-2011 - 7:45pm
That's what a military jail means. And they are cfreating more power to frame US citizens for that jail.

Quote, "Rand Paul warns preppers that the government considers you terrorists.

In a warning from Rand Paul on the senate floor, where he speaks out against provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act, we learned today that the government considers having guns or storing more than 7 days of food a possible terrorist activity.

In the speech Rand Paul warns Americans that “Someone who has guns, someone who has ammunition that is weather proofed, someone who has 7 days of food in their house” can be considered a potential terrorist by the federal government.

He warns that under a new provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act the federal government could lock you up indefinitely if you are suspected of activities that they consider terrorism related. That’s right the military will now have the power to lock up anyone, even American citizens without due process and without being convicted of a crime.

http://offgridsurvival.com/randpaulwarnsofmilitarylockingupamericancitizens/

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