Manhunt in Mount Rainier park after US ranger shot dead

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Manhunt in Mount Rainier park after US ranger shot dead
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Mon, 01-02-2012 - 9:37am

What a tragedy. :smileysad:

Theoretically could NOT allowing fire-arms in state parks have prevented this murder?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16381448

A manhunt is under way for an Iraq war veteran wanted in connection with the murder of a ranger at a national park in Washington state.

Mount Rainier National Park was closed after ranger Margaret Anderson, 34, was shot dead after she set up a roadblock to try and stop the suspect's vehicle.

The suspect, named locally as Benjamin Colton Barnes, 24, is also wanted in connection with an earlier shooting.

Mr Barnes is reported to be an Iraq war veteran with survivalist skills.

Police said they had recovered his vehicle, which had weapons and body armour inside.

The shooting happened as hikers and climbers flocked to enjoy the park's wooded trails and spectacular views of the 14,410 ft (4,392m) Mount Rainier on an unseasonably mild New Year's holiday.

The park was immediately closed after the shooting, and around 85 visitors and 15 park staff were moved into a visitors' centre to wait for police to give them the all-clear to leave.

'Huge tragedy'

Police said Mr Barnes was wanted for questioning over an early-morning shooting at a New Year's party in Skyway, just south of Seattle, which left four people injured.

The King County Sheriff's Office quoted witnesses as saying multiple people at the party were armed and a shoot-out had erupted following an argument over a weapon.

Mrs Anderson and a fellow ranger set up a roadblock after the suspect failed to stop at a tyre-assessment checkpoint at around 18:20 GMT on Sunday, a spokesman for the national park said.

Both rangers were fired on, but only Mrs Anderson - a mother of two young daughters and married to another of the park's rangers - was hit.

"It's just a huge tragedy - for the family, the park and the park service," park superintendent Randy King said.

The park will remain closed on Monday while the search continues through its 368 sq miles of terrain.

Guns have been legal at Rainier since 2010

A change in federal law that took effect in February 2010 allows visitors to legally bring firearms in to places such as Mount Rainier National Park. The law made possession of firearms in national parks and refuges subject to the firearms laws of the state and communities where the parks are located. More...

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/01/01/1966247/guns-have-been-legal-at-rainier.html

 


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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-11-2006

No law would have made a difference. Do you not agree?

Well, kinda.I don't think a law saying that guns are not allowed in the park would have done much at all in this case.

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-11-2005
@cat, I just want to point out that Mt Rainier isn't a WA state park but a National park as is Mt St Helen & Olympic Rain forest parks. This Ranger was a federal employee
~~Sam stitches well with others, runs with scissors in her pocket. Cheerful and stupid.
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Registered: 03-03-2009
Unfortunately, concealed firearms ARE allowed in national parks. http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/22/local/la-me-parks-guns22-2010feb22

The park ranger was a federal employee and maybe if the shooter had been captured alive, federal charges would have been brought. But he's dead, and the issue of state versus national doesn't seem to have much bearing.

Frankly, I think concealed weapons laws are asinine in the extreme. MAD didn't gain us much as a nation, and that's where we are headed domestically with the proliferation of right-to-keep-and-bear-arms legislation.

But those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 11-13-2009
You're right. When I said "nuts", I wasn't speaking of the mentally ill. They didn't even cross my mind. I meant people who are violent and care little for human life.

I don't believe stricter gun laws will keep guns out of the hands of criminals or those hell bent on killing someone.

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-13-2009
Thank you for the clarification, Sam.

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-13-2009
I'm going to apply for a concealed handgun license. I don't find the law asinine at all.

Our new business isn't in the best of neighborhoods and I have been carrying a bit of cash on me. Often it's more than has been netted in the last few convenience store robberies that have been reported in the newspaper. I got a real scare a few nights ago when it appeared I was being followed. (I'm still not sure what was going on, but some odd things happened.) We're hoping to get a safe installed very soon.

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-13-2009
<< I do not think that giving responsible people guns helps to decrease gun violence. >>

I don't know about decreasing gun violence, but responsible gun owners in Texas have taken out alot of criminals. I was keeping a list of links on my last computer for just this debate, on this board. But it crashed about 3 months ago. Offhand I can think of a young mother shooting and killing a man who broke into her home. That was Oklahoma just a few days ago.)

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-03-2009

The more reasonable and long lasting solution would be to work towards improving dangerous neighborhoods. More police presence and more people working to driving out the gangs and/or drug pushers.

With concealed carry, it's a crapshoot. Would you be able to get to your firearm in time to brandish or use it? What if the person you're confronting is faster and has a more lethal weapon? What if the person is strung out on drugs and comes at you?

I think that carrying a weapon may actually contribute to a false sense of security and possibly lead a person to take risks and actions they would otherwise avoid.

But in any event, I do hope that you are not faced with any of the above. If you get a safe, maybe use it in conjunction with a surveillance system and post signs that the premises are monitored? Just my thoughts.....

Jabberwocka

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-13-2009
Funny you said this:

<< The more reasonable and long lasting solution would be to work towards improving dangerous neighborhoods. More police presence and more people working to driving out the gangs and/or drug pushers. >>

We're 4 blocks from the police department. It's been in the same place for at least 40 years that I know of. Didn't stop someone from robbing the Sonic next door and shooting a 17 y.o. girl in the leg.

The shortest way to a highway (not 70 mph highway, haha) is right by us. I bet cops turn in and out at our corner 100 times or more a day. And yet...

As to the rest, I'll address more tomorrow probably. But trust me, I won't be drawing down on a man with a gun pointed at me, or any of those scenarios you mentioned. I can be compliant, haha.

 

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