"Marriage Vow" signed by Bachmannn

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"Marriage Vow" signed by Bachmannn
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Fri, 07-08-2011 - 2:51pm

This is crazy stuff.

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Registered: 11-27-2009
Mon, 07-11-2011 - 1:34pm
"The issue wasn't families forced to separate due to slavery, nor did I say anything of the sort."
That was exactly what your comment suggested. Another poster made a comment about the lack of intact families and connected to government policies. You that asked about slavery and went as far to note how slavery broke up families. That sure seems like a suggestion that slavery has some type of affect on the African-American nuclear family.
"The effects of slavery have had a lasting influence on African-American families. "
Seems to me as though you are contradicting yourself.
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Registered: 01-25-2010
Tue, 07-12-2011 - 1:04am

I read that PDF and cannot understand why anyone with a brain would sign it

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Thu, 07-14-2011 - 1:16pm

 


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Thu, 07-14-2011 - 1:19pm

Johnson’s full statement is reprinted below:

Gary Johnson

Government should not be involved in the bedrooms of consenting adults. I have always been a strong advocate of liberty and freedom from unnecessary government intervention into our lives. The freedoms that our forefathers fought for in this country are sacred and must be preserved. The Republican Party cannot be sidetracked into discussing these morally judgmental issues — such a discussion is simply wrongheaded. We need to maintain our position as the party of efficient government management and the watchdogs of the “public’s pocket book.”

This “pledge” is nothing short of a promise to discriminate against everyone who makes a personal choice that doesn’t fit into a particular definition of “virtue.”

While the Family Leader pledge covers just about every other so-called virtue they can think of, the one that is conspicuously missing is tolerance. In one concise document, they manage to condemn gays, single parents, single individuals, divorcees, Muslims, gays in the military, unmarried couples, women who choose to have abortions and everyone else who doesn’t fit in a Norman Rockwell painting.

The Republican Party cannot afford to have a Presidential candidate who condones intolerance, bigotry and the denial of liberty to the citizens of this country. If we nominate such a candidate, we will never capture the White House in 2012. If candidates who sign this pledge somehow think they are scoring some points with some core constituency of the Republican Party, they are doing so at the peril of writing off the vast majority of Americans who want no part of this “pledge” and its offensive language.

The now missing section stated:

Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President.

Complete article at link....

http://iowaindependent.com/58288/gary-johnson-labels-vander-plaats-social-pledge-as-offensive-unrepublican

 


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Thu, 07-14-2011 - 2:59pm
I won't go as far as you did in your comments, but I agree, I do not understand signing this statement. It just reinforces unnecessary rhetoric and stifles communication. I think Bachman will find that there are people that simply will not listen to her if she uses this type of rhetoric.

Maybe I should qualify that as political rhetoric and admit that I use the term to freely, my definition = an intent to sway opinion through the listeners emotions (sympathy, anger, etc.), with political rhetoric I believe that deception, to varying degrees, is added when the initial argument is unable to stand on it's own.
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Mon, 07-18-2011 - 10:34am
Nazi's were socialists, communism is an extreme form of socialism. There isn't much of a difference between them.

Democrats of late tend toward socialism, Republicans support socialization also, but less extensively than Democrats.

The great society programs have broken up many poor families, and this has had a disproportionate effect on black families. Having a dad around will often cut a mom and kids off from many government benefits.
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Mon, 07-18-2011 - 12:25pm
Nazis weren't socialists. Where are you getting that idea from?
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Mon, 07-18-2011 - 1:20pm
Exactly! ITA! Nazism is comprised of tenets from a variety of political, social & religious beliefs. They had a form of "National Socialism" that wasn't socialism as we understand it. Nazism was really a fascist political system.

Here's a link to a good definition: http://www.answers.com/topic/national-socialism

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Mon, 07-18-2011 - 2:44pm


The great society programs have broken up many poor families, and this has had a disproportionate effect on black families. Having a dad around will often cut a mom and kids off from many government benefits. 

chaika

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Mon, 07-18-2011 - 4:06pm

Hitler indicated he was a socialist in his writings. However the NAZI party in German is Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei this translates into English as the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Nazi is German and stems from Nationalsozialist.

Communism, and socialism are repeated experiments in government created by individuals who trust government over individual enterprise. Generally these societies either fail, or stagnate.

The Johnson / Kennedy inspired Great Society programs punish families that have a dad. This has harmed those families in the U.S. and has caused many kids to have no father. As blacks are as a percentage more likely to live in poverty, the effect of breaking up families has been greatest among families identifying as being of black ethnicity.

That these programs have devastated our poor, and disproportionately affected minorities isn't exactly news.

Republicans do anything to help get dads involved, other than adding coercive techniques. What needs to be done is removal of punishments for involved dads. As Republicans don't offer much more than Democrats to poor dads, the letter doesn't mean much, other than a recognition that there must be a path out of poverty for families.

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