"Marriage Vow" signed by Bachmannn

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Registered: 05-03-2011
"Marriage Vow" signed by Bachmannn
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Fri, 07-08-2011 - 2:51pm

This is crazy stuff.

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Registered: 06-07-2011
Wed, 07-20-2011 - 9:52pm
I would love to know, from your personal experience, if you know why these women chose to terminate their pregnancy so late. Was their life in danger or was it other reasons?
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Registered: 03-30-2007
Wed, 07-20-2011 - 10:31pm

From your statement, you clearly have never seen "Sixteen and Pregnant"

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Wed, 07-20-2011 - 10:42pm

I believe it is a woman's right to choose the sire for her childern.

chaika

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Registered: 11-27-2009
Wed, 07-20-2011 - 10:51pm
Your welcome. I'll take my real life experience and other nurses on how this actually plays out in the delivery room.

As I said from the start, Obama's objection with the Born Alive Act was that it would mess up Roe v Wade. Your link stated exactly that. The Born Alive Act was for the wiggle room that the 1975 provides.

The leeway is that the Dr only need determine that the infant is not viable, and let me tell you, any preemie is not viable if there is no intervention, with rare exception.

I know you think you proved something here, but you didn't.
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Registered: 01-25-2010
Wed, 07-20-2011 - 11:03pm

And if there is not a planned parenthood in that person's area?

chaika

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Registered: 06-07-2011
Wed, 07-20-2011 - 11:05pm
((From your statement, you clearly have never seen "Sixteen and Pregnant"
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Registered: 05-03-2011
Wed, 07-20-2011 - 11:17pm
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Wow. So much for a civil conversation. Moving on...
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Registered: 11-27-2009
Wed, 07-20-2011 - 11:32pm
In the case that led up to the Born Alive Legislation, it was a survivable congenital defect, but I do believe that the baby was not gestationally viable.
Other cases I'm aware of and from the experience I had, I can't say if it was waiting too long, not aware of actual dates that help determine gestation, or fudging of dates. I do not know if an ultrasound was done or not. I think that denial may play a role in delaying a timely procedure for some women. Denial can be very strong. (Fortunately, this was not a common occurrence where I worked)

When the Born Alive Act legislation came about it was motivated by two nurses that witnessed aborted babies in a dirty utility room and left to die. If my recollection is correct, the babies typically would not have survived based on gestational age. The problem is to get care, including end of life care, it must be determined that the baby was alive. That would mean admitting that a fetus, regardless of age, is alive and a human being. That potentially messes with Roe v Wade, at least it did in Obama's mind.
Here's some information on the Act. It's the easiest source for the language of the legislation. http://www.nrlc.org/obamabaipa/ExactBillKilledbyObama.html
Of course it is biased, it just needs to be read knowing their position. It's pretty straight forward for the most part. (You can't really find non-biased sources for this unless you dig into Illinois archives for the text of the bills-http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?GAID=3&SessionID=3&GA=93&DocTypeID=SB&DocNum=1082&LegID=3910&SpecSess=&Session= , what this source provides is a frame of reference for the motivation to develop Born Alive legislation in Illinois)
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Registered: 06-07-2011
Thu, 07-21-2011 - 12:25am
Thank you. And for the record, you are always very civil on these boards....the same cannot be said for a few.
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Registered: 11-27-2009
Thu, 07-21-2011 - 9:34am
So you didn't think you proved me wrong by pulling a section from "my link", stating that there was little leeway for Dr.s (which it did not prove- what it said was that the delivery must be attended- my experience exactly- but the Dr still has the authority to determine that a child will not receive care if he/she deems it is not viable- in my experience this was done from across the room with no exam and ignoring our input of a heart beat, resp. effort, weak cry, and moving limbs)
Then you thanked me for providing the link. I must have missed something if you weren't attempting to prove something. What I said was not uncivil, just the truth.

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