Is Newt Right About Poor Children?

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Registered: 11-13-2009
Is Newt Right About Poor Children?
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Fri, 12-02-2011 - 12:45am

Should some of the child labor laws be done away with?

 

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iVillage Member
Registered: 03-30-2007
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 8:17pm

I don't have a problem with kids working.

iVillage Member
Registered: 05-03-2011
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 8:18pm

Here's more on what Gingrich originally said:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68729.html

Newt: Fire the janitors, hire kids to clean schools


By MAGGIE HABERMAN | 11/18/11 8:15 PM EST

Via POLITICO's Reid Epstein, Newt Gingrich tonight said at an address at Harvard that child work laws "entrap" poor children into poverty - and suggested that a better way to handle failing schools is to fire the janitors, hire the local students and let them get paid for upkeep.

The comment came in response to an undergrad's question about income equality during his talk at Harvard's Kennedy School.

"This is something that no liberal wants to deal with," Gingrich said. "Core policies of protecting unionization and bureaucratization against children in the poorest neighborhoods, crippling them by putting them in schools that fail has done more to create income inequality in the United States than any other single policy. It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods, entrapping children in, first of all, child laws, which are truly stupid.

"You say to somebody, you shouldn't go to work before you're what, 14, 16 years of age, fine. You're totally poor. You're in a school that is failing with a teacher that is failing. I've tried for years to have a very simple model," he said. "Most of these schools ought to get rid of the unionized janitors, have one master janitor and pay local students to take care of the school. The kids would actually do work, they would have cash, they would have pride in the schools, they'd begin the process of rising."

He added, "You go out and talk to people, as I do, you go out and talk to people who are really successful in one generation. They all started their first job between nine and 14 years of age. They all were either selling newspapers, going door to door, they were doing something, they were washing cars."

"They all learned how to make money at a very early age," he said. "What do we say to poor kids in poor neighborhoods? Don't do it. Remember all that stuff about don't get a hamburger flipping job? The worst possible advice you could give to poor children. Get any job that teaches you to show up on Monday. Get any job that teaches you to stay all day even if you are in a fight with your girlfriend. The whole process of making work worthwhile is central."

The former House Speaker acknowledged that it was an unconventional pitch, saying, "You're going to see from me extraordinarily radical proposals to fundamentally change the culture of poverty in America and give people a chance to rise very rapidly."

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-20-2011
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 8:49pm

ohearto wrote:

""I am so sick of hearing "Work hard and you will be rich," BS"

Nobody has said that.

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-20-2011
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 8:52pm

Weird, I don't see a thing about FORCING poor children to work...like so many here claimed he said.

iVillage Member
Registered: 05-13-2009
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 9:07pm
What exactly do you agree with?

Giving formerly living wage union jobs to children?

Making the children is the poorest schools go to work instead of getting an education?

Why wouldn't be fixing the schools be the first choice? Why wouldn't getting the teens with the failed education a job with a living wage be the first choice?

Newt sounds, to quote himself, "truly stupid".
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Registered: 11-20-2011
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 9:23pm

chestnuthooligan wrote:

"What exactly do you agree with?"

Pretty much all of it.

"Making the children is the poorest schools go to work instead of getting an education?"

Again, with the making!

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 9:43pm

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 9:45pm

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 9:48pm

iVillage Member
Registered: 05-13-2009
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 9:49pm


That "pretty much" leaves me speechless.

9yo "in poor districts" cleaning toilets?

Displacing (poor) living wage union janitors?

Doing nothing about the low performing schools?

Ignoring the 40% unemployment rate of the teens in these communities?

Yes, it's a teacher's union problem! People who want to do their jobs, in a safe environment for a living wage.



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