Obama Doesn't Mention "God" Enough for Republicans

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Obama Doesn't Mention "God" Enough for Republicans
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Sat, 11-26-2011 - 6:03am

 

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Registered: 09-30-2011

Ooohh, my.

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Registered: 05-03-2011
Thanks, that was a good link!
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Registered: 04-02-2009

Well, not particularly but given the motley crew running against him and that they've really offered nothing but "rhetoric to get elected" I think we're better off with him.

You haven't answered my question, though.

 

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Registered: 09-30-2011

Christmas is not just a religious holiday.

Christmas is a specifically religious holiday...hence the name Christ-mas instead of Festivus.

A Christmas tree has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus, so no, I don't think that's hypocritical at all.

There is scholarly consensus that the Christmas tree originated in Germany. Indeed, the earliest record of an evergreen tree being used and decorated (but without lights) for Christmas is 1521 in the German region of Alsace.

Though we cannot be certain, it seems highly likely that the first Christmas trees that appeared in Germany in the early sixteenth century were descendants of both of these customs: the Paradise tree and the Christmas pyramids and lights. The Paradise tree became our Christmas tree. Decorations that had been placed on the pyramids were transferred to the Christmas tree

http://www.orlutheran.com/html/chrtree.html

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Registered: 09-30-2011

Christmas trees are originally pagan, I believe.

There's no evidence of that.

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Registered: 11-20-2011

piningforthefjords wrote:

Christmas trees are originally pagan, I believe.

True, but let's keep on track.

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Registered: 11-20-2011

hottlipps wrote:

The Christmas tree is a German tradition, not a tradition from the country of Jesus birth.

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Registered: 05-03-2011
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Christmas is both a religious holiday and a secular holiday...as evidenced by your own post about trees and stockings. Thanks, too. Those were good reads.

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No, she doesn't believe in God, but she celebrates a variety of Jewish holidays (and no, she doesn't have any children). Here are some links that explain the cultural/historical significance of various Jewish traditions that are celebrated by secular Jews.

http://citycongregation.org/celebrations/holidays.html

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/People/Jewish+Festivals+in+Israel.htm

As a side note, my SIL doesn't really do Hanukkah. She does celebrate Christmas with our family.
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No, the "Christmas tree issue" wasn't "just thrown in there to side track the debate and deflect from the real issue." I was explaining to you how an atheist can and does celebrate Christmas. In doing so, I was also sharing how this atheist doesn't have a problem with religious symbols and, in fact, has a major Christian symbol depicting Christmas right in my very own home due to the fact that my husband is not an atheist.
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<<.I was arguing that the atheists have demanded that we can no longer say "Christmas" when describing said tree....it must now be referred to as a "Holiday" tree since the word "Christmas" is just so offensive to them that all Christians must change their tradition to suit godless non-believers and be more politically correct. Atheists feel it's just so wrong and offensive to say Christmas on school property or government property and at no point should their child every have to hear the word "God" or "Christmas"....let alone say it.>>

Well, no, that's not really true. In my school district, we have Christmas trees. No one is trying to change that. No one has declared that kids can't say "Christmas" or mention God or Jesus. All I see is more of the "war on Christmas" that isn't actually occurring.

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