Operation "Fast and Furious" a HUGE FAILURE!

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Registered: 06-07-2011
Operation "Fast and Furious" a HUGE FAILURE!
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Wed, 06-15-2011 - 2:38pm
House Panel Slams 'Fast and Furious' Gun Operation Tied to Border Agent's Death
Published June 15, 2011 | FoxNews.com
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Registered: 03-03-2009
According to Libraone's link, the "botch" started in 2007.

"Special Agent Forcelli said as early as 2007, he had raised questions about why a number of gun cases were not pursued by the feds, telling lawmakers that ATF agents instead took their evidence to the state Attorney General of Arizona in order win some prosecutions.

"Despite the existence of “probable cause” in many cases, there were no indictments, no prosecutions, and criminals were allowed to walk free," Forcelli charged."
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Registered: 06-07-2011
((For me the question isn't why Fast and Furious resulted in a single border agent's death))

It also resulted in an ICE agents death and thousands of innocent Mexicans as well. The bottom line here is that Holder botched this big time. Now he is trying to sweep it under the rug and claim he knew nothing about it. What an outrage!

And for those who keep making this a Democrat/Republican issue, it is not. I, for one, would be just as outraged if this happened under Bush's watch especially if he kept blaming the small gun shop owners in AZ for selling the guns. When in fact, they DID alert the ATF and didn't want to sell them but were instructed by the administration to do so.

Somebody needs to take the responsibility for this. The question is, who is man enough to do it? As typical of this administration, I am sure the "blame game" will begin. Exactly where does the buck stop?
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Registered: 11-27-2009
Well said.
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Registered: 03-03-2009

It's been pointed out several times now that there was a method to the madness behind Fast and Furious. It was a sting. Meant to uncover the bigger players.

As regards your assertion that "thousands of innocent Mexicans as well" were killed due to F&F--prove it.

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Registered: 03-18-2000
"Obama inherited a whole lot of awful decisions and their consequences."

Many have selective memories &/or, consciously or unconsciously, edit what they hear.

 


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Registered: 03-03-2009
True. But what bugs me is the defensiveness and accusations when facts and/or links are requested; or when a poster's words are paraphrased rather than being used verbatim.

And there's a tendency towards hyperbolic and inaccurate statements.
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Registered: 03-18-2000
I hear you. Consider the source.

 


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Registered: 11-13-2009
You don't see a difference between a load of drugs and a load of guns, either?

You have such an anti-gun stance, I find this flabbergasting! And Hotttlips post, too.

 

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Registered: 08-30-2002

I was using the drugs analogy to point out that it is a common TACTIC that our law enforcement uses-guns, drugs, black market products, doesen't really matter. In an effort to catch "principals" in illegal operations, law enforcement has typically allowed for human, collateral damage and a certain amount of contraband to get a free pass, as long as it's a means to an end.

You will find no where in my post that says I agree with it. Only pointing out, that this is part and parcel to different kinds of law enforcement efforts, historically. This is not a new way of doing things. And drugs DO kill. They devestate families. They harm innocent children.



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Registered: 11-13-2009
<<< I don't see this as any different than drug "investigations" where law enforcemnt "allows" mass quantities of drugs to be bought and sold, so their operatives can build a case.>>>

I see a huge difference in a drug shipment vs. guns put in the hands of drug cartels.

A PP made a good point along the lines of (and correct me if I'm wrong PP), but the drugs will be gone soon, and the guns will be around for decades, still killing.