Operation "Fast and Furious" a HUGE FAILURE!

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Operation "Fast and Furious" a HUGE FAILURE!
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Wed, 06-15-2011 - 2:38pm
House Panel Slams 'Fast and Furious' Gun Operation Tied to Border Agent's Death
Published June 15, 2011 | FoxNews.com
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I was agreeing with the fact that there is much more to this than just blaming one source. Plus, drugs can go on affecting lives LONG after they've been consumed.

Why do you find it so 'flabbergasting' that I don't like guns? I'm not proposing that they be made illegal - although I do strongly feel that they should all be registered. But, that's not going to happen in my lifetime. I accept that but that doesn't mean that my opinion about guns is invalid. I've owned guns, fired guns...and I know how to safely handle & store them. It is because of this that I feel the way I do. I find that most guns are very unnecessary. Again, that is my opinion, which I am more than entitled to.

I only own one old antique rifle now - which I haven't had ammo for in 25 yrs or so...and I can't remember the last time I took it out of hiding & cleaned & oiled it. Not only that, but I took out the bolt & can't remember where I hid it.....

 nwtreehugger  

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Registered: 06-07-2011
((I was agreeing with the fact that there is much more to this than just blaming one source))

Somebody, most likely Eric Holder, screwed up big time in this botched operation. The fact that the Obama administration is trying to sweep this under the rug is of major concern to me.

Especially since Obama and the DoJ has made AZ it's personal punching bag. IMO, they owe those gun store owners an apology after being blamed for something that they didn't do.

Who's at the helm here??? Dumb and Dumber? Nobody seems to know who was in charge of this colossal failure.
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Registered: 03-03-2009

Why are you blaming Holder "for screwing up big time"? I do not see that he is responsible. Moreover, he leads DoJ, not ATF. Are you taking Chuck Grassley's word for it? I found the Fox wording quite interesting (and telling) ".....trying to get to the bottom of what went wrong and who’s to blame". http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/15/sen_grassley_on_gun-running_sting_without_a_doubt_the_doj_was_involved.html And some people accuse Obama of "the blame game". Oh, the irony........

I'm also bemused by the depiction of Arizona as a hapless bystander, wrongly accused. Their immigration laws have been questioned as being discriminatory but how that figures into the Fast and Furious operation is a mystery to me, particularly the "personal punching bag" characterization.

I meant to ask earlier about the gun store owners as innocent victims ("owed an apology") meme. By all means do provide us with more details since all I've come across refers to ONE "Federal Firearms Licensee in Arizona". http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2011/04/16/gun-shop-owner-warned-atf-that-walking-guns-to-the-mexican-drug-cartels-was-wrong/ Nor have I seen any blaming (there's that word again) of sellers who were used as conduits for the Fast and Furious weapons.

In other words, a whole lot of claims are being made without substantiation. Emotional descriptives like "colossal failure". Lacking overwhelming evidence, I suggest that "dumb and dumber" might apply best to those who arrive at conclusions before all the facts have been ascertained.

Jabberwocka

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((Why are you blaming Holder?))

Here's why

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml

"Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department."

((Emotional descriptives like "colossal failure".))

I guess I could have used words like "Catastrophic Disaster" LOL!
http://cspan.org/Events/Fast-and-Furious-a-Catastrophic-Disaster/10737422274-2/

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Registered: 03-03-2009

Grassley wrote to the AG, apparently on the assumption that Holder should be held accountable for each decision made in his department.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 06-07-2011
I just love how whenever the Obama administration makes a mistake, the liberals just underplay it and keep bringing up Iraq. What the heck???
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Registered: 03-03-2009

Oh, it's probably got something to do with the sheer magnitude of stupidity, arrogance, disinformation, monetary cost, and most damning of all, loss of life or limb. I didn't mention the number of vets who are still grappling with physical or mental injuries from which they are not likely to ever fully recover. I didn't mention the Iraqis who have seen their lives ripped asunder, lost loved ones, seen homes reduced to piles of rubble, seen their society fall prey to sectarian violence and struggle daily with uncertainty about things as mundane as whether they'll have electricity from one hour to the next. http://www.theage.com.au/world/revealed-iraq-wars-grim-toll-20101023-16yj7.html?skin=text-only

Then there was nutter Dana Rohrabacher, who suggested that Iraqis should reimburse us...... http://www.ajc.com/opinion/readers-write-6-15-977020.html

Show me something, anything that Obama has done which comes close to replicating the scale of got-it-wrong which typified the invasion of Iraq.

Speaking of "what the heck", how about some facts on F&F rather than quotes from self-serving politicians? Facts, BTW, aren't the same as characterizations.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 11-13-2009
I didn't find it "flabbergasting" your opinion on guns. I already know your opinion. It's the attitude that there's not much difference in a load of drugs being allowed to pass vs. a load of guns.

<< Plus, drugs can go on affecting lives LONG after they've been consumed.>>

I guess that's in response to my statement that guns kill for decades.

No comparison.

 

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Registered: 06-07-2011
(( how about some facts on F&F rather than quotes from self-serving politicians?))

I have provided several links with information. I don't consider ATF agents "self-serving politicians". However, it IS difficult to gather further information when, in this administration, the right hand doesn't seem to know what the left hand is doing.
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Registered: 03-03-2009

Problems started BEFORE this administration.

Jabberwocka