Osama Bin Ladin is no more

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Osama Bin Ladin is no more
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Sun, 05-01-2011 - 11:09pm

And I, for one, have mixed emotions.

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Mon, 05-02-2011 - 3:27pm
I don't understand the suspicion about whether OBL is dead or not. I'm sure if the U.S. completely screwed up, bin Laden would be putting out a "neener-neener, you didn't kill me, you stupid Americans" tape.
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Mon, 05-02-2011 - 3:31pm

"And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators."

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Mon, 05-02-2011 - 3:58pm
I was asked by another poster what I would have done with OBL's remains. He's dead and his body has been "buried" at sea. The point is therefore moot; as I indicated earlier. Discussions about the hypothetical are hardly going to need definitions of "meaningful numbers".

Maybe you are not familiar with the wolf and lamb metaphor. The wolf isn't seen as being heroic There are no positive connotations attached to the wolf. And the lambs are seen as innocents who did not deserve slaughter. You're correct--it's an analogy, not a literal comparison to "livestock".

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Mon, 05-02-2011 - 3:59pm

I don't understand the joy and paraded happiness displayed in American news about bin Laden's death. Killing him will solve nothing. Vengeance is a thin soup that quickly spoils.

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Mon, 05-02-2011 - 4:05pm
Consider. Most of OBL's post-9/11 communications were of the very variety you describe. The anodyne would have been to openly and conclusively prove that OBL was dead.

Seems to me that it wouldn't be very difficult for Al Qaeda to doctor an older OBL recording and send it out as a "neener-neener, you didn't kill me, you stupid Americans" taunt.

I am not the one who's prone to suspicion. That would be the extremists who are convinced that the U.S. is the Great Satan.

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Mon, 05-02-2011 - 4:13pm
I wouldn't put it past someone to do just that with a videotape, but I have great confidence in our experts being able to tell the difference between that and a fake.

I think that dumping him into the sea was appropriate. The U.S. apparently has photos, but hasn't decided whether to release them or not. I'm good with taking the President and our military men who were there at their word that bin Laden is dead. I also don't particularly care if any extremists think bin Laden is alive or not.
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Mon, 05-02-2011 - 4:17pm
The issue was why OBL was dumped into the deep. Some said that it was to comply with Islamic restrictions on time between death and disposal of the body; to show respect for those restrictions. I quoted from a site which gives guidance on Muslim burial tradition.

Much will depend on how rigorously we are perceived to have vetted that the body "buried at sea" was truly Osama Bin Ladin's. Independent corroboration would have been very very helpful. It would still have been possible with a body which could be disinterred. No body, no corroboration.

This goes to transparency. To bringing the light of day and meting out some degree of justice. Read about Richard III and the princes in the Tower. Then maybe you'll understand that perceptions make history (which is not to say that I think OBL is a victim in any way, shape, or form).

Jabberwocka

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Mon, 05-02-2011 - 4:20pm
My opinion: We feel like some degree of justice has been administered. So many have died in pursuit of OBL, particularly in Iraq. Thin soup, indeed.

Nonetheless, it galls that a man responsible for the death of so many went unpunished for years. Just don't bring up Dubya because the same is true of him as well.

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Mon, 05-02-2011 - 4:25pm
Much depends on how extremists act out on their convictions. IF they think that OBL is truly, irrefutably dead and it has a demoralizing impact.....great. IF they think he's not dead, just biding his time and waiting to lead the faithful to their next jihad......not so great, particularly if that lack of certainty inspires the next rabid suicide bomber or plotter of mass mayhem.

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Mon, 05-02-2011 - 4:29pm
He's dead. How much more "justice" can there be?

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