The Tea Fragger Party

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The Tea Fragger Party
Sat, 07-30-2011 - 8:19am

What do these TP's hope to accomplish?

Fragging: “To intentionally kill or wound (one’s superior officer, etc.), esp. with a hand grenade.”

Take names. Remember them. The behavior of certain Republicans who call themselves Tea Party conservatives makes them the most destructive posse of misguided “patriots” we’ve seen in recent memory.

If the nation defaults on its financial obligations, the blame belongs to the Tea Party Republicans who fragged their own leader, John Boehner. They had victory in their hands and couldn’t bring themselves to support his debt-ceiling plan, which, if not perfect, was more than anyone could have imagined just a few months ago. No new taxes, significant spending cuts, a temporary debt-ceiling solution with the possibility of more spending cuts down the line as well as action on their beloved balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution.

These people wouldn’t recognize a hot fudge sundae if the cherry started talking to them.

The tick-tock of the debt-ceiling debate is too long for this space, but the bottom line is that the Tea Party got too full of itself with help from certain characters whose names you’ll want to remember when things go south. They include, among others, media personalities who need no further recognition; a handful of media-created “leaders,” including Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips and Tea Party Patriots co-founders Jenny Beth Martin and Mark Meckler (both Phillips and Martin declared bankruptcy, yet they’re advising Tea Party Republicans on debt?); a handful of outside groups that love to hurl ad hominems such as “elite” and “inside the Beltway” when talking about people like Boehner when they are, in fact, the elite (FreedomWorks, Heritage Action, Club for Growth, National Taxpayers Union, Americans for Prosperity); and elected leaders such as Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan, head of the Republican Study Committee, and South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint, who grandstand and make political assertions and promises that are sheer fantasy.

Meanwhile, freshman House members were targeted and pressured by some of the aforementioned groups to vote against Boehner’s plan. South Carolina’s contingent was so troubled that members repaired to the chapel Thursday to pray and emerged promising to vote no. Why? Not because Jesus told them to but because they’re scared to death that DeMint will “primary” them — find someone in their own party to challenge them.

Where did they get an idea like that? Look no further than Sarah Palin’s Facebook page, where she warned freshmen about contested primaries and urged them to “remember us ‘little people’ who believed in them, donated to their campaigns, spent hours tirelessly volunteering for them, and trusted them with our votes.” Her close: “P.S. Everyone I talk to still believes in contested primaries.” While they’re at it, they also should remember that Palin came to the Tea Party long after the invitations went out. The woman knows where to hitch a wagon.

Unfortunately for the country, which is poised to lose its place as the world’s most-trusted treasury and suffer economic repercussions we can ill afford, the stakes in this political game are too high to be in the hands of Tea Partyers who mistakenly think they have a mandate. Their sweep in the 2010 election was the exclusive result of anti-Obama sentiment and the sense that the president, in creating a health-care plan instead of focusing on jobs, had overplayed his hand. Invariably, as political pendulums swing, the victors become the very thing they sought to defeat.

Who’s overplaying their hand now?

It must be said that the Tea Party has not been monolithic — and the true grass-roots shouldn’t be conflated with leaders who disastrously signed on to the so-called “Cut, Cap and Balance” pledge. What is it with Republicans and their silly pledges? Didn’t they get enough Scouting? This pledge now has them hog-tied to a promise they can’t keep — the balanced-budget amendment. As many as a third desperately want a pardon from that commitment, according to sources close to the action.

Hubris is no one’s friend, and irony is a nag. The Tea Partyers who wanted to oust Barack Obama have greatly enhanced his chances for reelection by undermining their own leader and damaging the country in the process. The debt ceiling may have been raised and the crisis averted by the time this column appears, but that event should not erase the memory of what transpired. The Tea Party was a movement that changed the conversation in Washington, but it has steeped too long and has become toxic.

It’s time to toss it out.


In both debt plans, the wealthy win.....




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Wed, 08-03-2011 - 2:39pm
Guess I'm the weirdo in the group LOL! My folks always had 1/2 arce of garden. So I grew up eatting fesh peas w/new potatoes & cream (with baby onions) god how I miss that. I love peas, I've been known to open a can of peas & eat them. My dh loves peas & will only allow me to pay frozen peas. He's not much of a farmer, he tried to grow them this yr (alone with green beans) that didn't come up :(. Next yr I'm planning the garden instead! He's a gentlemen farmer (even tho both of our paternial grandfathers were farmers)
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Registered: 11-27-2009
Wed, 08-03-2011 - 2:09pm
My mom made us eat canned peas when I was a kid. I don't like peas at all. I did chuckle at Obama's peas comment. No way do just eat my peas, ever.
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Wed, 08-03-2011 - 1:20pm mom grew up eating fresh peas from my grandmother's garden, so canned peas were rarely served in our home!


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Wed, 08-03-2011 - 7:39am
I know, that is what you want to believe, and you believe it. I have tried to expand the conversation further, because the fact is, economics is not that simple. I sure wish it was, then we would always have a robust economy with near perfect job numbers. That isn't the case.
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Tue, 08-02-2011 - 11:20pm

The fact is, there's

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Tue, 08-02-2011 - 10:11pm

The only thing for which I am sorry by this point is the time I spent writing response posts which were doomed to be parsed for chances to take offense.


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Registered: 11-27-2009
Tue, 08-02-2011 - 9:39pm
I never said I was being misrepresented. However, my comments were being mocked. I understand though, it's hard to see it from the other side, especially when partaking in the fun.
No problem. You really didn't think I expected anything like an apology or acknowledgment that it could feel that way. Of course I didn't. I see very few apologies around here.
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Tue, 08-02-2011 - 9:33pm
You weren't being mocked. You weren't being misrepresented. Nobody was inciting anything. It's a debate board, and this proclivity for assuming the worst is wearisome.


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Registered: 11-27-2009
Tue, 08-02-2011 - 7:43pm
No, that is not what I said. Would you care to link me up to your facts. What you supplied was opinion, not fact.
FYI: a lot of economics is opinion, hence the disagreement on how to approach economics. Do you think if it was really that simple we would ever have a recession? Why not just do the things that "factually" grow the economy? What has Obama and his admin been doing all this time?

"We need to have more or the same amount of money, coming in, as we have going out. Economy 101. "

The question is, how do you get there? Do you really think you can tax the rich enough to get there?
The answer is no. Here are some economic facts I have to share:
"Barack Obama told the nation last Wednesday that “improvements” in Medicare and hiking taxes on the wealthy would stabilize government spending and bring deficit spending to what can charitably be described as a dull roar. The Wall Street Journal does some fact checking on these claims and finds them entirely false. Even if the “rich” gets defined down to the top 10% of filers — whose average annual household income is $114,000 — the level of revenue from even a 100% tax would still not close the budget gap:

Consider the Internal Revenue Service’s income tax statistics for 2008, the latest year for which data are available. The top 1% of taxpayers—those with salaries, dividends and capital gains roughly above about $380,000—paid 38% of taxes. But assume that tax policy confiscated all the taxable income of all the “millionaires and billionaires” Mr. Obama singled out. That yields merely about $938 billion, which is sand on the beach amid the $4 trillion White House budget, a $1.65 trillion deficit, and spending at 25% as a share of the economy, a post-World War II record.

Say we take it up to the top 10%, or everyone with income over $114,000, including joint filers. That’s five times Mr. Obama’s 2% promise. The IRS data are broken down at $100,000, yet taxing all income above that level throws up only $3.4 trillion. And remember, the top 10% already pay 69% of all total income taxes, while the top 5% pay more than all of the other 95%."
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Tue, 08-02-2011 - 7:36pm
"Others have taken Obama's comments out of context and attributed to them a great deal more weight than he probably ever intended"
And? I really am not getting your point.

"Bachmann is a candidate for Obama's seat. Fox News is a big backer of the Tea Party movement. Bill O'Reilly has no particular love for liberals, Democrats, or Obama himself. Either they are preternaturally thin-skinned, or they're looking to hustle up indignation at imagined insults. Probably the latter, if I just had to guess. "
Ok, I have no idea what you are talking about here either. I posted a link to Obama's choice of words, nothing regarding Bachmann or O'Reilly. I don't really care what either had to say nor did I bother to read it. Sorry.

"I am wondering where you got the idea that any of us "just need to leave this up to the paid politicians". "

It's not my idea, Obama said it; I paraphrased it since I don't have 100% recall. Here it is. Disclaimer, I do not know what is in the article that accompanies this. I was looking for Obama's words, not commentary to tell me how to think. I did that just fine when I listened to his speech. (I listened to most of them the past few weeks- I make it my business to think for myself)
{“Let me distinguish between professional politicians and the public at large. You know, the public is not paying close attention to the ins and outs of how a Treasury auction goes. They shouldn’t. They’re worrying about their family, they’re worrying about their jobs. They’re worrying about their neighborhood. They have got a lot of other things on their plate. We’re paid to worry about it.”}