Who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17?

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Who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17?
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Tue, 07-22-2014 - 11:35am

Karla
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Tue, 07-22-2014 - 9:12pm

      Karla I want to add that I recently heard that a claim that a Russian actually launched the missile.  I feel that is possible.

      Tom,

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Tue, 07-22-2014 - 9:16pm

      Karla, based on the information I have seen I believe that rebels in Ukraine shot down the plane with missiles supplied by Russia.  Also based on the information I have seen I don’t see any reason why they would shot down a passenger plane that is not Ukrainian, so I believe they meant to shot down a transport or military plane.  In the article you linked to Senator John McCain, who I respect, is quoted as saying “It has the earmarks of a mistaken identification of an aircraft that they may have believed was Ukrainian.”

      As to what the United States should do I feel that is a very difficult question to answer.  I feel it is important for the United States to be very cautious or action by the United States might make matters worse.  I feel President Obama has been cautious in matters such as this.  It seems to me that the president’s policy has been to fight terrorists without getting the United States into a war that turns into a quagmire.  I feel he has done a good job in doing this, not a perfect job, but then I don’t expect any president to do a perfect job.  Because of this and because I know so little of the details as to why he has done what he has done I am satisfied that his policy is better than any I could think up.

      Karla what do you think about the questions you asked?

      Tom,

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Wed, 07-23-2014 - 10:00am

Hi Tom, right now I would agree with you that it appears to be a case of mistaken identity. And I do believe the US should procede very cautiously as you stated because this has the potential of blowing up into something with horrible consequences. It will be interesting a few weeks from now to see how or if the information we are being given changes.

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Wed, 07-30-2014 - 3:46pm

846. The divert flight path (7/28/2014)

 

Evidence shows that MH17 was arranged from its original flight path over to a war zone where it was shot down.

 

Quote:
MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed “False Flag”

 

By 21st Century Wire         Global Research, July 25, 2014

 

MH17: A Doomed Flight Path

 

A Malaysian Airlines spokesman has already confirmed that, for some unknown reason, Kiev-based Ukrainian Air Traffic Control (ATC) ordered MH17 off of its original flight path along the international air route, known as L980.

 

Most likely, this order was given to pilots while MH17 was still in Polish air space. L980 is one of the most popular and most congested air routes in the world, as well as a key link between major international hubs in Europe, like London Heathrow, Amsterdam Schiphol, and Frankfurt, and Asian destinations, like Singapore, Mumbai, Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur.

 

 

 

As MH17 moved into Ukrainian air space, it was moved approximately 300 miles north of its usual route - putting it on a new course, flying directly over a war zone – a dangerous area that’s hosted a number of downed military craft over the previous 3 weeks.

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag/5393317

 

Puppet Ukraine censored the air traffic control recordings.

 

Quote:
Kiev Censors MH17 Air Traffic Control Recordings

Security services confiscated tapes immediately after incident

by Paul Joseph Watson | July 22, 2014

 

Why has Kiev failed to release recordings from air traffic control tapes which could prove what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? Ukrainian security services confiscated the tapes immediately after the incident

 

http://www.infowars.com/kiev-censors-mh17-air-traffic-control-recordings/

 

The case is similar to the shooting down case of “KAL 007” 30 years ago. I talked about it at” 834. Small countries became sacrifice in US plots (5/23/2014)”

 

In 1983, a South Korea passenger airplane KAL 007 was shot down in Russia.

 

A few years ago, after former Soviet Union had collapsed, I came across with an analysis of that incident. The article said the Korean pilots couldn’t make such a big mistake to diverge the normal flight path. It alleged it was a plot that Pentagon used it to test air defense of Soviet Union. It was cold war time. I believe so. The original path was mostly over the ocean. The deviation track went over Kamchatka Peninsula. That is a big land. Pilots couldn’t miss it.

 

Quote:
1983: Korean Air Lines Flight 007 Shot Down By Soviet Fighter Plane

 

 

 

http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/215438-1-september-1983-korean-air-lines-flight-007-shot-down-soviet-fighter-plane.html

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Sun, 08-10-2014 - 5:42pm

7/31/2014 at 09:43:25

First Examination of Malaysian MH-17 Cockpit Photo Shows Ukraine Government Shot that Plane Down

By Eric Zuesse

 On July 30th, a German pilot headlined at anderweltonline, "Shocking Analysis of the 'Shooting Down' of Malaysian MH17," and he provided the first public analysis of the photos that were available immediately after the disaster, of the plane's cockpit, and of a wing. Google removed the photos soon after they were first available, but pilot Peter Haisenko had fortunately screen-saved them, and now shows them on that site, after having carefully analyzed and made sense of what they show. He says: "The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes." And they're unmistakable in the accompanying photo. "This aircraft was not hit by a missile" and it was not hit "in the central portion" of the airplane. "The destruction [that explains the way the entire wreckage was spread out] is limited to the cockpit area," as he explains it: "A typical SU 25" (which is the Ukrainian plane, or pair of planes, that accompanied the Malaysian jet into the conflict-area) "is equipped with a double-barreled 30-mm gun, type GSh-302," carrying "a 250 round magazine of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells (dum-dum)," which are "designed to penetrate the solid armor of a tank" and which ripped to shreds the cockpit-area on both sides of the plane. "The cockpit of the MH017 has evidently been fired at from both sides: the entry and exit holes are found on the same fragment" of the cockpit, so that there had to have been two SU 25s, and not merely one, which were escorting that plane into the rebel-held area.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/First-Examination-of-Malay-by-Eric-Zuesse-Activism-Anti-War_Obama-Administration_Peace_War_President-Barack-Obama-POTUS-140731-170.html