Creating the New Conservative Utopia

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Creating the New Conservative Utopia
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Wed, 12-07-2011 - 1:08pm

If you combine the actions this year

~ SW

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Sat, 12-17-2011 - 5:09am

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Sat, 12-17-2011 - 12:53am

I think we are all laughing at the nonsense of the op.

nisupulla wrote:

Do you think they now realize how crazy the GOP agenda is?

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Tue, 12-13-2011 - 8:40pm

Do you think they now realize how crazy the GOP agenda is?

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Tue, 12-13-2011 - 5:04pm

Good work--ya got 'em!

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/october/meet_the_new_health_.php

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Thu, 12-08-2011 - 3:38pm
Hear, hear!

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Thu, 12-08-2011 - 3:07pm
*clapping hands*
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Thu, 12-08-2011 - 2:11pm

Well, gee, I'd kinda said what I meant to say, in a sardonic but playful manner, and was just gonna watch the fur fly. BUT - some replies just need to be responded to.

Who wrote the OP?

That would be me . . . with my own fingers, and in my own words, with thoughts that came from my own head, and weren't cut-and-pasted verbatim from some propagandisticly reliable source material that agrees with what I want to believe. (and YES, there is a clear inference there to all too many posts I see on this forum - especially those commonly offered here regularly by the adherents of a specific, but nameless, political persuasion.)

Just because some leftist fringe person . . .

Actually, I am only 'moderately' Left. Some of my opinions merely seem 'radical' or 'fringe'-like when viewed through the lens of modern Conservatism, where HW Bush, Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, and Dwight Eisenhower are all WAY too far to the left for serious consideration as presidential material by the 21st Century Conservative Republican Base -- and Teddy Roosevelt would be branded an out an out 'Socialist'.

. . . writes a statement doesn't make it true.

Well, here, the onus would actually be on YOU to provide specifics countering my statements in the OP, and showing their inherent weakness and inaccuracy. But I'll make it easy for you instead: Minimum Wage - Paul, Bachmann, Cain and Perry are all on record as opposing a federally mandated Minimum Wage. Child labor laws - GOP in Maine and Missouri currently trying to roll back these laws, and leading GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich calls them 'stupid' and proposes putting 'poor' kids to work cleaning toilets to teach them a work ethic. Raising SS retirement age - Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Romney, Boener, Lindsay Graham, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan - all on record for rasing eligibility age. Privatizing Social Security - this was one of the hallmarks of the GOP's Ryan Plan for fixing our budget deficit problem. Closing the EPA - Bachmann, Cain, Paul, Perry, Gingrich - all on record as favoring ending the EPA. Unions - the FIRST thing on the agenda of several states after Republican victories in 2010 was to attack union rights and collective bargaining through legislation. This was done in Wisconsin, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Indiana and Michigan. Abolish Dept of Education - Bachmann, Perry, Paul, Romney on record supporting this, while Gingrich would 'dramatically shrink' it. Reducing taxes on the Job Creators - sorry, I refuse to even pretend that citing this as a statement of general Conservative belief requires any 'proof'.

IMO....it's just another ivillage 'regular' conservative/GOP bashing thread.

Now *I* never claimed that ALL of the GOP support this new Utopian vision. But, these are INDEED the values and opinions and plans of many members of the GOP's LEADERSHIP. If you don't like or agree with the things they stand for and support, and you are a member of the GOP and/or a Conservative, then blame THEM, not ME. I'm just the messenger here, delivering, I believe, a pretty accurate assessment of what they believe and what they are trying to do. It seems to me to be more than a little disingenuous to believe these new Conservative ideals are right for our nation, and then cry foul and 'bashing' when someone accuses you of believing it.

~ SW

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Thu, 12-08-2011 - 9:12am
<<"all of those are on the conservative agenda. ">>

Yes, indeed, "all" of those specific issues are on the conservative agenda. That doesn't translate into "all" conservatives.

<<" I'll just have to go by the stance that all of the GOP candidates hold, which appears to be all of the items that were listed.">>

Yep, "which appears to be" all the items listed. "Appears to be" is not a statement of "all."

<<"That's because the GOP does support all those things.>>

Yes, those particular items and some other anti-science craziness to boot, too. Let's put it this way...I haven't seen one prominent Republican come out and say, "Oh, no, that's too crazy, we can't do THAT" with ANY of those listed items in the OP. Instead, they all seem to double up on the crazy when one person says something, the next seems to have to come up with something even more spectacularly wrong or bizarre.

Obviously, not "everyone" in the GOP is like this (I don't think they've all run off the rails), but it sure appears that as a whole, the GOP embraces all of those points, just as the first paragraph suggested in the OP. Take into account the candidates, the congresscritters, etc., and that's what you get.
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Thu, 12-08-2011 - 9:06am
I never claimed "all" anything.
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Thu, 12-08-2011 - 8:04am

"Um, no, I didn't. Please go back and read the very first paragraph of the OP. *That* is a true statement. The GOP as a whole supports those items."

Oh give me a break.

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