HOW'S that 'Change' workin' out for ya?

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HOW'S that 'Change' workin' out for ya?
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Nope. He absolutely didn't. He promised to focus on Afghanistan. That's what he campaigned on.

I'm not surprised about the revisionist history, especially coming from the fantasy sources that some people like to get their information about Obama from.

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Registered: 07-09-2011

50,000 troops still in Iraq. B.O. followed Bush's exit timetable from Iraq.

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Registered: 06-08-2011

Obama campaigned on the promise to bring ALL troops home. Not only did he lie about that but he started another war in Libya.

Obama lied. American troops died.

The Marxist/Muslim had nothing to do with getting Ben Laden. The Navy Seals got him. Insiders say Obama had to be persuaded to give the order to kill BL by his staff.

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Registered: 03-03-2009
Bush may have no presence in politics now but he trashed the nation while in office, both in domestic and international terms. Things don't get reset when a new president is elected.

So the "mantra" characterization is absurd. Bush was a horrendous leader and "rewinding" him is going to take a very very long time, if it's possible at all.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 11-27-2009
Yes, I know they are Bush's words. It's still a sound bite. They were still stupid statements, whether he thought they were good or a speech writer did.

And I agree, Bush was not the best orator. I live in the Chicago area where the last mayor, who served for almost 22 years, bungled words almost every time he was in the front of a microphone.

Bush was clearly not a formal person, and quite possibly read people wrong (as in the Merkel incident).

I'm not sure what importance this has now. Bush is no longer the President and really has little to no presence in politics now. However, Obama is the President and it is amusing to see how he and his supporters are more than happy to take credit for successes that were born out of or due in part, big or small, to policies of the Bush administration, yet where Obama has not been successful in his attempts for change there is no end to the blame Bush mantra. It is what it is, and despite Obama's claims that he is the President and the buck stops with him, he just can't live those words.
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Registered: 03-03-2009
Eh? Those are Bush's words. You can call them "sound bites" if you like but they presumably are as accurate a gauge as anything else.

Bush was a horrible communicator, particularly when speaking extemporaneously. He couldn't get syntax right, repeatedly bungled quotes and didn't seem to have a sense that his words and actions were under klieg lights. As a consequence, he often behaved in ways which one does NOT associate with gravitas or the proper comportment of a world class leader. Angela Merkul's involuntary neck squeeze comes to mind.

Now maybe it was all a show, a diversion from the truly serious and wise nature of a man who led the nation with perspicacity, caution, and awareness of the impact of his words and actions. But I doubt it. There were just too many absolutely awful decisions.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 11-27-2009

Sure, lets look at his sound bites, they tell us a lot don't they?

Let me just add, when Bush made many of his PR sound bite comments I thought that many would come to bite him on the but, the not caring about Bin Laden was a big one, knowing that they had not given up looking for him.

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Registered: 03-03-2009
Bush didn't pursue bin Ladin actively. Pretty much gave up after about a year of concerted effort, at least by his own admission:
<<"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."
- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool,
The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on
official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)>>
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/11/13_Laden.html

Mind you, that's what Bush said so it's possible that he was throwing up a smoke screen--though why he would do so I cannot fathom. Instead of following through, Bush chose to go haring off after non-existent WMD in Iraq AND he cultivated Pervez Musharrif of Pakistan (where bin Ladin had been hunkering down for quite some time). Bush's efforts?! Oh my, that's just hilarious! There's no particular reason to give credit for bin Ladin's death to a man who showed the good sense and logic of an amoeba.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 11-27-2009
And Obama deserves credit for that, however, he, he he, I have to laugh at how Obama supporters so often cried "he inherited" this and that from Bush as to dismiss his failings yet in this instance where is success was built on Bush's efforts, it goes ignored.
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Registered: 05-03-2011
It helps if you actually get the context right. Obama was talking about Iraq, not Afghanistan. Obama repeatedly said during the campaign that he was going to be focusing on Afghanistan which we never should have taken our military away from to go into Iraq. Oh, and hey, bin Laden was gotten on Obama's watch. hehehe

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