"As you have pointed out, you are able to see the disparity when a teacher needs to provide more time to struggling students when it's in your DD's class, even with no ESL students, yet you didn't see it when you are that ESL teacher. "Struggling students are struggling students, whether they are ESL or not. That's my point. Thing is, in my DD's school, there are considerably more resources available to students than there were in the low income neighborhoods. Additionally, there are actually parent volunteers at DD's school, plenty of them, whereas there weren't ANY at the low income schools where I taught. At the beginning of the year, I'll be working with some other parents to provide intensive 1 on 1 for struggling kindergartners, trying to get them up to speed before they get left behind. "Does your school have advanced classes? "In the elementary schools, there are GATE (gifted and talented education) programs, available only for grades 3 through 5. It's a pull out program, only an hour or so a week. I'm not sure about middle school. I don't think there are advanced classes. There are honors classes and AP classes in high school."In our school ALL teachers were required to start their National Board certification if they wanted to remain at that school. The school district paid the cost."Our district doesn't pay for that. Is there any research done that shows that national certification leads to better scores? We were encouraged to get our TESL endorsement based on the high ESL population. The thing is, those techniques work for all students, so it's a win-win in that regard. Unfortunately, that came out of my own pocket. "The reasons were clear and not hidden, we didn't make AYP, and we didn't make AYP b/c of one subset. ESL."That's my huge problem with NCLB. Based on research on language acquisition, those students aren't going to be passing those tests in the time frame set by NCLB. It just isn't going to happen and sets up students, teachers, and schools for failure. "All were seen as negative by one child in particular b/c at school that child was told they were 'above and beyond', when they were really only doing 'above and beyond' kids that were really struggling. "That's too bad. I think that teachers need to be mindful of that and still expect greatness from the higher level kids, not just letting them skate by and think they are geniuses just because they are handling the material in the classroom. I had a student one year who was bright. She was really lazy, though, as far as trying to go "above and beyond." We had a conference where her dad wanted my opinion on whether they should try to skip her ahead a grade. I discouraged that because, though she was bright, she wasn't putting forth any effort to learn more about anything that interested her. We talked about ways to engage her more and encourage some intellectual curiosity in her.
Yep, struggling students are struggling students. However that wasn't the point, I believe you challenged the claim that ESL students
"It is not done like this in ANY other country in the world. We spend all our money on kids who will always have lower IQ's. Then the bright kids get only mediocre at best education. My daughter is in the "gifted" program at our school. It's 1 hour once a week! That's it. Whooptee doo. The low kids? They get pulled every day to get special help."