Joe Wilson's been vindicated

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Registered: 07-09-2011
Joe Wilson's been vindicated
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Thu, 08-11-2011 - 2:05pm

“The reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally,” Obama said then.

When Obama said these words, Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) shouted out from the House

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Registered: 04-09-2011
Sun, 08-14-2011 - 3:23pm

I know people love to portray Obama as this vile villain out to destroy America. Yet...

the man has proven time and again he is willing to compromise to bring sides together and move the country forward. What I see are a lot, right now particularly on the right, but at times on both sides, who stomp their feet and threaten to destroy the country because they don't get their way.

We have people on both sides attacking Obama...for taking a position in the middle, for trying to make desparate sides find *something* both can agree on. The problem here isn't Obama... it is us.

Health care is a divisive issue. There are insurers, those in need of health services, hospitals, doctors, nurses, and staff, pharmaceuticals, and people with different idelogies all arguing, all with their own vested interest in the outcome. There are millions uninsured, and our current system can't work for everyone.

So along come claims of 'hard working Americans' being hosed in order to facilitate covering others. Apparently the same 'hard working Americans' Republicans would love to make sure don't have access to pensions any longer, or be protected by minimum wage laws, or OSHA or environmental law or Title IX, because after all...the money is better in my pocket so I can buy video games or beer than it is helping another amongst us stay alive.

Funny...more of those who feel this way live in the south and interior west than in the north or west coast, an area that curiously is the most subsidised part of this country, tax dollars from from the more liberal areas to the more conservative ones... I find that rather interesting, because I would bet the vast majority who feel this way have no clue that is fact.Welfare for conservatives is okay, I guess.

I look at the helping immigrants thing differently. Rather than say we are or aren't, I'll say flat out I hope we are, because a human being is a human being. Unless one of you has Indian ancestry, our ancestors came here as immigrants, imposing their language (for all you let them speak English advocates) while mistreating those here. How many of us are mistreated by illegals now? How many are exploited? How much of their home country was sold off from under them to American interests who exploited the people, polluted it and so on? You all think people in SA don't like us because we have and they don't.... it is actually because we treated them like dirt. But I guess that is okay... so long as we get what we want. And never give back.

So here is Obama, far more moderate than me, and yet he's the villain here. We've lost our ability to compromise. Neither side will ever dominate in this country, and in fact, I would guess most Americans fall right of me and left of you... but they are being blocked by us on the ends of both sides.

Ted Kennedy was liberal, Alan Simpson was conservative... they knew how to work together. They might not have agreed on issues, but they knew how to find middle ground. We've lost that. We mock those who can. Hell, if left alone by Rumsfeld and Cheney, and absent the polarising influence of 11 September, I would guess GWB might have occupied some of that middle ground Obama stands on, he did initially. It is too bad that the same forces that work on Obama went to work on him. In this case, Obama is holding middle ground better, sort of a what might have been.

We need to ease up, we need to encourage compromise. I'm willing, maybe not to the extent Obama is willing, but I'm willing. How many of you are willing? Or would you rather exist in a world of endless political debate?

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Registered: 05-13-2009
Sun, 08-14-2011 - 9:16pm
So a policy that's been in place since the 60s, the migrant health clinics, funded partially by grants from the HHS, that Was not a part of th Affortable Health Care Act, is Obama's fault?

Really... There is much to find fault with the AHCA, but this meme is dishonest and just plain wrong.
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Registered: 01-14-2011
Mon, 08-15-2011 - 11:46am

"The problem here isn't Obama... it is us."

Well he certainly isn't helping the political divide.

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Registered: 08-12-2011
Tue, 08-16-2011 - 1:56pm

*** Oh my gawd!

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Registered: 08-12-2011
Tue, 08-16-2011 - 2:53pm

*** I know people love to portray Obama as this vile villain out to destroy America. Yet...

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Registered: 04-09-2011
Wed, 08-17-2011 - 10:56pm

Excuse me? Who wished to compromise, and expressed willingness to compromise? Wasn't the Tea Party. Obama was the only person, left or right, who was willing to compromise, and said so publicly.

The problem now is the right is being distorted - the moderates on the right are being stepped over and on, essentially blocked out. Witness Alan Simpson, a true conservative, calling for an investigation of Grover Norquist. He doesn't like how the right handled this. Alan understands what compromise means and how it leads to effective government.

Those who think Obama is some extremist are sitting out by Pluto observing here, claiming those here are the ones far out. Sorry, the right is not only shfited way right, it has shifted *dangerously* right. Obama is a moderate. Choice is not a radical position. Women's rights are not a radical idea. Providing health care to all is not radical - claiming it is is an idea best suited to the Bizarro world. Really, we should let people die? We should let them starve? And Jesus, he'd be cool with this?

How does someone for less government support government interference with the bodies of women and in the lives of gay couples? How does one reconcile that with requiring drug tests for welfare recipients (while curiously, not requiring them for CEOs of companies who receive far greater amounts from the US - how about testing the CEO of GE, a company that made billions yet paid no taxes?)

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Registered: 04-09-2011
Thu, 08-18-2011 - 12:47pm

The very ones who created 90% of this mess - we should urge them not to compromise their principles. Har!

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Registered: 01-14-2011
Thu, 08-18-2011 - 4:30pm

Funny, I don't recall Obama calling for compromise when he told Republicans to "sit in the back of the bus" or when he declared "I won" and calling Republicans "the enemy".

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Registered: 04-09-2011
Thu, 08-18-2011 - 4:41pm

I seem to recall he's tried for compromise since taking office, campaigned on bringing people together, and in fact does more than most on the left would want him to do.

Most Americans are for SS, for Medicare, for education... we aren't for war, but who started those wars? Who refused to pay for them? The right. Obama rightly wants taxes on the top earners to go up, the right doesn't, although Bufffett is going to make it harder for the right to stand by that position.

Most Americans are for choice in some form. Most Americans do not wish to dismantle programmes mentioned above, or OSHA, the EPA, the Department of Education, and so on. Most Americans are not for curbing union rights, or minimum wage laws. The right in this country now is further out than the left of the 1960s, and far far more dangerous.

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Registered: 07-09-2011
Thu, 08-18-2011 - 5:55pm

BO's said he's willing to compromise, but he's never actually compromised unless he's politically forced to do so.