A Little Truth About Obama and Your Taxes

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A Little Truth About Obama and Your Taxes
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Fri, 12-02-2011 - 7:24am

I've been hearing a lot of stuff about all the taxes Obama and the current crop of 'tax and spend' Democrats are supposedly responsible for. Here is the reality.

In 2009 the Democratic Congress passed Obama's American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, which contained tax cuts totaling about $320Billion - or about 50% larger in total effect than the Bush Tax Cuts of 2000. About 95% of US families received a portion of this tax relief. Obama followed up on ARRA with the Payroll Tax Cut of 2010 which further cut taxes about $109Billion for about 98% of American families. That's a total of $429Billion in tax cuts in less than 3 years in office.

Even the distorted numbers of the 1% mouthpiece Americans for Tax Relief could only come up with about $100Billion in Obama 'tax increases' - most of which are based on 'taxes' in the form of surcharges related to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Of course this fails to address the fact that if they get ill, without insurance, these people will cost us taxpayers a lot more money to our healthcare system in the form of higher costs due to continuing high rates of people unable to pay their bills for urgent and catastrophic care.

So, unless you're one of those fortunate enough financially to be in the top 5% in our economy, next time you get your paycheck, give President Obama a quiet little thank-you instead of some unjustified hate.

~ SW

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Sat, 12-03-2011 - 9:26am
I think you and songwright are saying basically the same thing.

Doctors charge a set amount. Insurance companies negotiate reimbursements with physicians and don't pay near the set amount charged by the physician. The uninsured gets charged that set amount and the physician may or may not lower that set amount for the cash pay patient, and if they do lower it, they likely aren't going to lower it to the amount that they get as reimbursement from an insurance company. The uninsured patient gets screwed because they are charged more in the end.
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Sat, 12-03-2011 - 12:07am

Clearly by your response it appears you didn't even bother to read what I wrote.

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Fri, 12-02-2011 - 11:37pm

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Fri, 12-02-2011 - 5:19pm

janeltz wrote:

"And that's why, one day, we WILL have a single payer system that cuts out all the costs of dealing with insurance companies. "

Don't hold your breath....democrats AND republicans are in bed with the insurance companies.

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Fri, 12-02-2011 - 4:44pm

The uninsured are charged the same, but without a contract like the insurance companies have with hundreds of providers--docs, hospitals, chiros, DME providers, pharmacies, ambulatory surgical centers, PTs, OTs, STs, and on and on--the providers use collection agencies to go after 100% of amounts charged to the uninsured.

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/october/meet_the_new_health_.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTBYQlQ7yM

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Registered: 09-30-2011
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 3:34pm

Gosh, thanks Barry...I don't know what I'm going to do with the tax bounty you've heaped on me.

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Registered: 11-20-2011
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 2:06pm
Sorry but doctors charge everyone the same rate, what is usual and customary. They just don't get reimbursed at the same rate. Different insurance companies negotiate different reimbursement rates which are usually a certain percentage of the charged rate. Nobody is "charged more" because they don't have insurance. Most people without insurance simply just dont pay. Some do however. Doctors cannot inflate their rates for people without insurance.
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Fri, 12-02-2011 - 12:21pm
Unless one has medicare or medicaid, the taxpayers do not pay for unpaid medical bills.

Whoops.

~ SW

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Registered: 05-03-2011
Fri, 12-02-2011 - 8:20am

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Not true. The taxpayers in my city pay for the county hospital and all the non-insured people who get treated there.

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Fri, 12-02-2011 - 8:16am

songwright wrote:

"Of course this fails to address the fact that if they get ill, without insurance, these people will cost us taxpayers a lot more money to our healthcare system in the form of higher costs due to continuing high rates of people unable to pay their bills for urgent and catastrophic care."

Unless one has medicare or medicaid, the taxpayers do not pay for unpaid medical bills. I realize Obama has told us that over and over again, but it's simply not true.