OWS and the First Amendment

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OWS and the First Amendment
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Sun, 10-30-2011 - 12:55pm

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or

~ SW

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Tue, 11-01-2011 - 3:37pm

As you noted, there have been many arrests and conflicts with police, failure to obey lawful police orders, lewd conduct in public, etc... So there is no question that laws have been broken, which answers the question about it being a peaceable assembly and protected by the Constitution.

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Tue, 11-01-2011 - 11:22pm
songwright wrote:

As you noted, there have been many arrests and conflicts with police, failure to obey lawful police orders, lewd conduct in public, etc... So there is no question that laws have been broken, which answers the question about it being a peaceable assembly and protected by the Constitution.

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"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Thu, 11-03-2011 - 12:53am

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Thu, 11-03-2011 - 9:08am
****sighs***** Again you are conflating "peaceable" with "lawful". And when "laws" are written for the express purpose of obstructing protest, one could argue that such "laws" are a violation of First Amendment rights.

Trying to forestall any concerns about constitutionality by the "interpretation" argument is......errrr, ummmm........."weak". So weak as to be absurd.

I do think that protesters who want to be taken seriously will expect a higher standard of behavior for themselves. One which will not pose a safety or hygiene hazard to those who live, work, or travel in the area of the protests.

From what I can see though, the majority of demonstrators are being civil in every sense of the word. But ideologues tend to use sweeping generalizations and labels for the sake of expressing complex issues in simple-minded terms.

BTW, if OWS is truly "fading out", maybe you could explain the news coverage last night of the proposed Oakland ship yard strike.

As regards the "peaceable" tea partiers" (you know, the ones who made a point of drowning out other attendees at town halls, and/or the ones who came to rallies armed to the teeth), thanks for the morning laugh!

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Thu, 11-03-2011 - 9:40am

http://rt.com/news/occupy-oakland-general-strike-451/

Before this, the Occupy Oakland/Wall Street protest seemed to have got out of hand, with the windows of some banks smashed downtown, allegedly by people wearing black scarfs to cover their faces (watch the video below). Such destruction of property appears to be in sharp contrast to the behavior of OWS protesters in the Californian city, and many participants don’t approve such tactics.

Well, at least some of it is peaceable. There is certainly no confusing this with a Tea Party rally,

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Thu, 11-03-2011 - 12:07pm

A group of liberal Jewish activists, former politicians and union leaders released a statement denouncing opponents of Occupy Wall Street for accusing the movement of anti-Semitism.

“We are publicly engaged American Jews who support both Israel and the ideas behind Occupy Wall Street, and who also strongly oppose right-wing attempts to smear that movement with false charges of anti-Semitism,”

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Thu, 11-03-2011 - 4:45pm
nisupulla wrote:

A group of liberal Jewish activists, former politicians and union leaders released a statement denouncing opponents of Occupy Wall Street for accusing the movement of anti-Semitism.

Wow, really? That and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee. I wonder if there were any German Jews that supported the Nazis, I guess that would make what they did okay too. So, looks like you, and these morons, are A-okay with them making anti-Semitic remarks.

“We are publicly engaged American Jews who support both Israel and the ideas behind Occupy Wall Street, and who also strongly oppose right-wing attempts to smear that movement with false ....

That's just disgusting, immoral, and stupid. I don't know how you can call yourself "publicly engaged American Jews" that support a group making anti-Semitic remarks.

Let's be clear; these are numerous smears done by the people participating in the OWS criminal action. How predictable for the the left to get out there, make anti-Semitic smears, and then try to blame republicans for their very own actions.

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Thu, 11-03-2011 - 9:32pm

When your cries of

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Thu, 11-03-2011 - 9:33pm