What is Obama covering up?

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Sat, 11-03-2012 - 5:14pm

Exclusive: Security officials on the ground in Libya challenge CIA account

By Adam Housley

Published November 03, 2012

FoxNews.com

Despite a carefully narrated version of events rolled out late this week by the CIA claiming agents jumped into action as soon as they were notified of calls for help in Benghazi, security officials on the ground say calls for help went out considerably earlier -- and signs of an attack were mounting even before that.

The accounts, from foreign and American security officials in and around Benghazi at the time of the attack, indicate there was in fact a significant lag between when the threat started to show itself and help started to arrive.

According to the CIA, the first calls for assistance came at 9:40 p.m. local time from a senior State Department official at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, to the CIA annex about a mile away.

But according to multiple people on the ground that night, the Blue Mountain Security manager, who was in charge of the local force hired to guard the consulate perimeter, made calls on both two-way radios and cell phones to colleagues in Benghazi warning of problems at least an hour earlier. Those calls allegedly went to local security contractors who say that the CIA annex was also notified much earlier than 9:40 p.m. U.S. military intelligence also told Fox News that armed militia was gathering up to three hours before the attack began.

One source said the Blue Mountain Security chief seemed "distraught" and said "the situation here is very serious, we have a problem." He also said that even without these phone and radio calls, it was clear to everyone in the security community on the ground in Benghazi much earlier than 9:40 p.m. that fighters were gathering in preparation for an attack.

Many of these security contractors and intelligence sources on the ground in Benghazi met twice a week for informal meetings at the consulate with Blue Mountain and consulate staff, and at times other international officials. They were all very familiar with security at the consulate -- and said the staff seemed "complacent" and "didn't seem to follow the normal American way of securing a facility."

Both American and British sources say multiple roadblocks set up by fighters believed to be with Ansar al-Sharia were in place in Benghazi several hours before the 9:40 p.m. timeline and that communications also alluded to "heavily armed troops showing up with artillery." Fox News was told by both American and British contacts who were in Benghazi that night that the CIA timeline rolled out this past week is only "loosely based on the truth" and "doesn't quite add up."

Fox News was also told that the local guard force meant to protect the consulate perimeter "panicked" and didn't know what to do as the attackers took up positions. Sources say other guards simply "walked away".    

One former Special Op now employed by a private company in Benghazi said that even the safe room wasn't properly set up. He said "the safe room is one of the first measures you take" and that he is "not sure how you can set a safe room without fire suppression and ventilation in case of fire." He also said, "Ambassador Stevens would likely be alive today if this simple and normal procedure was put into place."

As details emerge of serious security issues before the attack on Sept. 11, Fox News is also beginning to hear more frustration from sources both on the ground in Benghazi and in the U.S. Multiple British and American sources insist there were other capabilities in the region and are mystified why none were used. Fox News was told there were not only armed drones that monitor Libyan chemical weapon sites in the area, but also F-18's, AC-130 aircraft and even helicopters that could have been dispatched in a timely fashion.    

British intelligence sources said that unarmed drones routinely flew over Benghazi every night in flight patterns and that armed drones which fly over chemical sites, some a short flight from Benghazi, "were always said to be on call." American sources confirmed this and questioned "why was a drone armed only with a camera dispatched?"

Another source added, "Why would they put a ragtag team together in Tripoli as first responders? This is not even what they do for a living. We had a first responder air base in Italy almost the same distance away." Despite the team arriving from Tripoli that night, sources said sufficient American back-up never came.

British sources on the ground in Benghazi said they are extremely frustrated by the attack and are still wondering why they weren't called for help. “We have more people on the ground here than the Americans and I just don't know why we didn't get the call?" one said.

Both American and British sources said, at the very least, the security situation on the ground and the lack of proper response were the result of "complete incompetence." The covert team that came in from Tripoli was held up at the Benghazi airport for more than three hours by Libyan officials. Sources said the team notified officials in Washington that they were being delayed within 30 minutes of their arrival.

They also point out that these questions "don't even address the military capabilities of our United Nations ally Turkey, who (has) forces available a similarly short flight away." Fox News has learned that Turkey had a number of embassy staff in town the night of the attack and that the Turkish consul general met with Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi the night he and the three other Americans were killed.

One source asked, "Were the Turks not warned? What forces were available from our ally Turkey? Especially since they had officials there in Benghazi also and had to be concerned … and where was the U.N. in all of this?"

Fox News' Jennifer Griffin contributed to this report.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/03/exclusive-security-officials-on-ground-in-libya-challenge-cia-account/?test=latestnews#ixzz2BCEwGbIY

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Registered: 09-28-2012
Sun, 11-04-2012 - 12:05am

Remember when Obama was campaigning and saying how transparent they were going to be? Remember when the left wanted to know every little thing about every meeting that Bush had?

Then Obama gets in, everything is secret, and the left has absolutely no desire to know anything. Bengazi is just another in a long line of deceptions from this administration. It is probably the most disgusting, vile, and revolting non action by Obama, but one of many.

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Sun, 11-04-2012 - 12:05am

  There is no cover-up.  The differences are the "fog" that occurs in these type of events.  Plus we have several different agencies involved.   The British in Libya are not the same command and control as in Afghanistan.  It would be highly unusual for them to involved.

  "but also F-18's, AC-130 aircraft and even helicopters that could have been dispatched in a timely fashion"

     This too is pure fantasy.  None of these craft have the capability that would be required.  Any idea that Turkey would become involved is sheer lunacy.  International law and relations are involved.  This was not an act of war.  Therefore any NATO assets would not be available. 

 "One former Special Op now employed by a private company in Benghazi said that even the safe room wasn't properly set up. He said "the safe room is one of the first measures you take" and that he is "not sure how you can set a safe room without fire suppression and ventilation in case of fire." He also said, "Ambassador Stevens would likely be alive today if this simple and normal procedure was put into place."

   This is the only paragraph that makes sense.  It is clear that the consulate grounds were very poorly designed for the purpose.  But they were a rented private residence not true consulate construct. 

  In conclusion no cover up.

However:

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weapons-jihadists-2012-10

dragowoman

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Sun, 11-04-2012 - 12:12am

  Gee where did you learn about state and military secrets?  There are there have been and always will be and they are none of the general populace's business. 

dragowoman

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Registered: 09-28-2012
Sun, 11-04-2012 - 1:16am

This is just a sin. When the ambassador is in peril, an immeadiate message goes directly to someone that is able to have direct contact with the president. So Obama knew what was happening within minutes, and chose to deny help. No possible way that he didn't know. Yet, all we get are smoke screens from him. He'll have much more room to do as he pleases after the election, God help us if that happens.

 It is quite clear what kind of person we have in the White House. I wonder what the other ambasadors are thinking.

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Registered: 10-17-2012
Sun, 11-04-2012 - 2:04am

No cover up?  That sounds pretty naïve.

Obama and Clinton specifically and repeatedly claimed that the consulate attack was a “protest gone wrong” and was instigated by some anti-Islam video.  Susan Rice, the UN Ambassador went out under administration orders and stated that position quite emphatically, followed by Obama doing the same, SIX times, in his UN speech a week later.

It was only AFTER it was revealed that Obama, Biden, Leon Panetta and a host of others watched the attack in real time in the White House Situation Room that the stories began to change. There was no “fog of war”…the White House, the State Department and the CIA have all admitted that they were in direct contact, via video, phone, email and radio with the security people IN  the consulate and the annex throughout the attack.  It’s also known that they knew exactly WHO the attackers were…Ansar Al-Sharia…and then, for some reason, lied about that as well.  They watched the whole thing happen in real time…and did nothing.  In fact, they did less than nothing, they actually told our forces to “stand down.”

Obama himself, said that “from day one I called it a terrorist attack”…which was a lie…and that “the minute I found out what was happening, I gave three very clear directives. Number one, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to” but apparently Obama forgot that we have this thing called video, now…and we can rewind and see the lies coming out of this mouth.  There is no conjecture, there is no doubt…it’s simply a fact that Obama lied.  Why?

We also have Panetta going on TV and making excuses for his inaction, saying “the basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on, without having some real-time information about what’s taking place.” And then later telling us that a CIA security team was sent from Tripoli.  So which is it?  Was Panetta lying when he said “you don’t sent troops…” or was  he lying when he said he sent troops?  Even stranger is the fact that we had military forces in Italy ready and waiting to be deployed…the same distance from Benghazi as Tripoli, but General Ham, the head of Africa Command, said he never received an order to deploy.

The administration was making up other excuses for their incompetence, saying “we do not send forces or aircraft into Libya — a sovereign nation — without a request from the State Department and the knowledge or consent of the host country.”  These are the same guys who routinely invade Pakistani airspace to drop bombs on suspected terrorists and Pakistani citizens, and who violated Pakistan’s “sovereignty” to send in a military strike force to get Bin Laden.,,all without the “consent of the host country.”

You’re also mistaken about everything else as well.  It’s already been shown that the military had F-18s in Aviano in Italy that could have been over the consulate within 25 minutes of the start of the attack.  We also had Delta Force and other forces in Sigonella that could have been on the ground within 2 hours but were told to wait.  It was also reported that there were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.

And yes, the consulate was a rented facility, but we have legal regulations for security at US diplomatic installations and these were not met.  Along with that failure, there were months and dozens of requests from the Ambassador in Libya requesting more security and they were all denied.  The Obama administration was also apprised of growing Al Qaeda activity in Libya and of direct threats to US targets…Stevens even saying he believed he was on an Al Qaeda hit-list…and the Obama administration did nothing.  Not conjecture…fact.

And Turkey?  Nope, no need for an “act of war” for any of our allies to come to the aid of US forces under terrorist attack.  Turkish security forces were already stationed in Benghazi and could have been called in to aid US forces.  It’s kind of absurd to claim otherwise.  Our security people responded immediately after the assassination attempt on the British Ambassador in Benghazi…to claim we would have just sat and watched is, as I said, simply absurd…unless, of course, it was US forces under attack and it was Obama who was watching.

This whole debacle was a HUGE cover up…and it’s going to come out one way or the other.  If Romney wins, there will be a thorough investigation.  If Obama wins he will eventually be impeached.  The truth will out.

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Registered: 10-17-2012
Sun, 11-04-2012 - 2:10am

It's interesting that liberals didn't have the same kind of laissez-faire-apologize-for-everything-the President-does attitude when Bush was in office.  My how things have changed.

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Sun, 11-04-2012 - 7:12am

To think hundreds are killed every month, right here in the USofA.    Detroit, LA, Chicago, Cleveland, Baltimore, murders happening every single day.  But no mention of that.

Oh and the children being killed here don't work for the CIA.

FYI:  It would have taken 2 hours for help to arrive from Italy.   I hope Issa (R) pays for cutting funding to those killed in Benghazi.

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Sun, 11-04-2012 - 3:06pm

  What are your referances? 

dragowoman

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Sun, 11-04-2012 - 4:01pm

 ROFL  F-18? 130 gunships?  Please stop it is so funny.  What were you going to do blow up the neighborhood? Have collaterial damage. What would a photo of a dead child do to foriegn policy?  Real life is not a video game.  CIA opertives are not troops so no reason to inform Ham.  As if you did not know that.  FOX news is a joke.  Check out the questions they ask.  Note that is designed to elicit a singular answer.  Sound bites are not complete information.  Oh, did it never occur that some information is designed to fool our enemies? 

     In the real world people die. 

No cover up.

dragowoman

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Sun, 11-04-2012 - 4:29pm

Chicago is the murder capitol of the world...it's been reported many times...and murders that occur in cities across the country are routinely reported on local news sources.  Where did you get the idea that these murders were being covered up?

The Ambassador in Benghazi wasn't killed in a drive-by or shot by a jealous lover, he was assassinated by Al Qaeda linked terrorists who targeted him because he was a representative of the US.  That's national security, not local crime.  What is a crime is the corrupt Obama administration covering it up.

FYI: an F-18 could have been over the site in 25 minutes.  Armed drones could have been there in less.  Forces from Sigonella could have been on the ground in 2 hours.  The attack lasted 7 hours...with the two SEALS being killed very near the end.  Obama got his 3AM call...and went back to bed.

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