What is Obama covering up?

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Sat, 11-03-2012 - 5:14pm

Exclusive: Security officials on the ground in Libya challenge CIA account

By Adam Housley

Published November 03, 2012


Despite a carefully narrated version of events rolled out late this week by the CIA claiming agents jumped into action as soon as they were notified of calls for help in Benghazi, security officials on the ground say calls for help went out considerably earlier -- and signs of an attack were mounting even before that.

The accounts, from foreign and American security officials in and around Benghazi at the time of the attack, indicate there was in fact a significant lag between when the threat started to show itself and help started to arrive.

According to the CIA, the first calls for assistance came at 9:40 p.m. local time from a senior State Department official at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, to the CIA annex about a mile away.

But according to multiple people on the ground that night, the Blue Mountain Security manager, who was in charge of the local force hired to guard the consulate perimeter, made calls on both two-way radios and cell phones to colleagues in Benghazi warning of problems at least an hour earlier. Those calls allegedly went to local security contractors who say that the CIA annex was also notified much earlier than 9:40 p.m. U.S. military intelligence also told Fox News that armed militia was gathering up to three hours before the attack began.

One source said the Blue Mountain Security chief seemed "distraught" and said "the situation here is very serious, we have a problem." He also said that even without these phone and radio calls, it was clear to everyone in the security community on the ground in Benghazi much earlier than 9:40 p.m. that fighters were gathering in preparation for an attack.

Many of these security contractors and intelligence sources on the ground in Benghazi met twice a week for informal meetings at the consulate with Blue Mountain and consulate staff, and at times other international officials. They were all very familiar with security at the consulate -- and said the staff seemed "complacent" and "didn't seem to follow the normal American way of securing a facility."

Both American and British sources say multiple roadblocks set up by fighters believed to be with Ansar al-Sharia were in place in Benghazi several hours before the 9:40 p.m. timeline and that communications also alluded to "heavily armed troops showing up with artillery." Fox News was told by both American and British contacts who were in Benghazi that night that the CIA timeline rolled out this past week is only "loosely based on the truth" and "doesn't quite add up."

Fox News was also told that the local guard force meant to protect the consulate perimeter "panicked" and didn't know what to do as the attackers took up positions. Sources say other guards simply "walked away".    

One former Special Op now employed by a private company in Benghazi said that even the safe room wasn't properly set up. He said "the safe room is one of the first measures you take" and that he is "not sure how you can set a safe room without fire suppression and ventilation in case of fire." He also said, "Ambassador Stevens would likely be alive today if this simple and normal procedure was put into place."

As details emerge of serious security issues before the attack on Sept. 11, Fox News is also beginning to hear more frustration from sources both on the ground in Benghazi and in the U.S. Multiple British and American sources insist there were other capabilities in the region and are mystified why none were used. Fox News was told there were not only armed drones that monitor Libyan chemical weapon sites in the area, but also F-18's, AC-130 aircraft and even helicopters that could have been dispatched in a timely fashion.    

British intelligence sources said that unarmed drones routinely flew over Benghazi every night in flight patterns and that armed drones which fly over chemical sites, some a short flight from Benghazi, "were always said to be on call." American sources confirmed this and questioned "why was a drone armed only with a camera dispatched?"

Another source added, "Why would they put a ragtag team together in Tripoli as first responders? This is not even what they do for a living. We had a first responder air base in Italy almost the same distance away." Despite the team arriving from Tripoli that night, sources said sufficient American back-up never came.

British sources on the ground in Benghazi said they are extremely frustrated by the attack and are still wondering why they weren't called for help. “We have more people on the ground here than the Americans and I just don't know why we didn't get the call?" one said.

Both American and British sources said, at the very least, the security situation on the ground and the lack of proper response were the result of "complete incompetence." The covert team that came in from Tripoli was held up at the Benghazi airport for more than three hours by Libyan officials. Sources said the team notified officials in Washington that they were being delayed within 30 minutes of their arrival.

They also point out that these questions "don't even address the military capabilities of our United Nations ally Turkey, who (has) forces available a similarly short flight away." Fox News has learned that Turkey had a number of embassy staff in town the night of the attack and that the Turkish consul general met with Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi the night he and the three other Americans were killed.

One source asked, "Were the Turks not warned? What forces were available from our ally Turkey? Especially since they had officials there in Benghazi also and had to be concerned … and where was the U.N. in all of this?"

Fox News' Jennifer Griffin contributed to this report.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/03/exclusive-security-officials-on-ground-in-libya-challenge-cia-account/?test=latestnews#ixzz2BCEwGbIY


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Registered: 01-25-2010
Sun, 11-11-2012 - 1:19pm

  What experts?  And what were the questions?  It is very easy to elicit a patterned response in a sound bite.  I  do my own research that contradicts these "experts". 


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Registered: 10-17-2012
Sat, 11-10-2012 - 2:50am

Experts have said otherwise.  I'll believe the experts.

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Thu, 11-08-2012 - 8:42pm

  ROFL: It takes time to arm a fighter. and a tanker in place.  No evidence that any of above was available.  Fox news is so bad that it is a joke.  Obama will get payback the old fashioned way.  Perhaps taking a page from the KGB dealing with terrorists. 

  History is very interesting.  Humans do the same things. 

  These estimates must be math not reality since a fully armed f 16 needs fuel to get there and cannot go supersonic.  A two hour trip.



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Registered: 10-17-2012
Wed, 11-07-2012 - 3:02am

I'm afraid you're mistaken yet again.  It has already been well established that emails were sent from the consulate in Benghazi to over 400 reciepients in the Obama Administration almost as soon as the attack started.  Among those reciepients were the White House Situation Room and the State Department.  Charlene Lamb, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security has already testified before Congress that she was on the phone with the security forces in the consulate throughout the attack.

We also know, confirmed by the White House, that Obama was in the Oval Office, meeting with Joe Biden and Joe Patterno at the time of the attack.  To imagine that they did not immediately convene in the Situation Room just a short distance away is...well...pretty believeable, judging by the utterly incompetent response that came from the White House when they learned about the attack.

It would be helpful if you would educate yourself concerning the already demonstrable facts concerning the Benghazi debacle rather than simply parrot the denials only held by the most far-far left blog sites.

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Registered: 10-17-2012
Wed, 11-07-2012 - 2:53am

Again, see above for a small sample of military commanders with vast experience who disagree with your "F-16 argument".  Simply google their names+Benghazi to read their arguments.

As for the lie that the attack on the consulate in Benghazi could be blamed on "GOP cuts to embassy funding," you're mistaken...

"In testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

Lamb responded, “No, sir.”

Recall that Lamb is the person who denied requests from the top diplomatic security officer in Libya to retain a 16-man team of military personnel who had been protecting diplomats."


The Heritage Foundation pulls the numbers for “worldwide security protection,” the budget for which went from $1.18 billion in 2008 (out of about $35 billion for the State Department and “other international programs”) to $1.59 billion in 2010 (out of about $52) before dropping to just under $1.5 billion in 2011. The Heritage Foundation explains:

Comparing FY 2011 actual funding versus the FY 2012 estimate, there appears to be a reduction in Worldwide Security Protection and Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance. But that reduction does not account for additional funding in FY 2012 from Overseas Contingency Operations funds amounting to $236 million for Worldwide Security Protection (p. 63) and $33 million for Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance (p. 467)... Together, there is a net increase.

In terms of people, the budget justification reported that Worldwide Security Protection had slightly fewer positions budgeted (1,777 in FY 2011 versus 1,707 in FY 2012) and Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance had the same number of positions budgeted (1,014 for both years).

In its budget request for FY 2013, the Administration requested significantly more funding for embassy security—mostly through the Overseas Contingency Operations budget—but retained the same number of positions, apparently on the assumption that security staffing was adequate. Regardless, that budget, even if approved in its entirety, would have entered into effect after the events in Libya.


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Registered: 10-17-2012
Wed, 11-07-2012 - 2:26am

General Carter Ham, commander of U.S. Africa Command

ret Navy Adm. James Lyons, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet

ret Lt. Gen. Tom Mcinerney, NATO; Pacific Air Forces, commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska

ret Gen. Jack Keane, Vice Chief of Staff of the Army

ret Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, senior operations officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency in Afghanistan

…”keyboard commandos” indeed.

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Registered: 03-03-2009
Tue, 11-06-2012 - 9:48pm

To Deenasdad.

On the topic of Obama viewing the Benghazi attacks in real time, no.  There are not "lots of credible sources".  Far from it.  More like a few wingnut conspiracy theorists desperately hoping to sell a story of total absurdity. 


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Registered: 01-25-2010
Tue, 11-06-2012 - 10:53am

  The facts have been stated 

Notice that there were no F-18's Major error

  F-16 range:       Combat radius: 340 mi (295 nmi, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with four 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs

  No they would not have been preped, armed, and mission brefing in 25 min not possible.

FOX News is a mouthpiece for the GOP.  Not considered a viable news source.

The nation and the world have other bigger fish to fry.

P.S. it was the GOP who cut the security funding.


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Registered: 03-30-2007
Tue, 11-06-2012 - 8:07am

Gotta love these "Keyboard Commando's".

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Registered: 10-17-2012
Tue, 11-06-2012 - 3:52am

ALL estimates are that an F-16 could have been over Benghazi between 30-60 minutes.  None were deployed.

Beyond the F-16s, we don’t know…surprise, surprise…what air assets were available.  We do know that there were ground forces available at Sigonella that weren’t deployed.

It’s also been reported that armed drones patrol chemical weapons depots in Libya which were not redirected to the area.

As for people who say “help couldn’t have arrived in time”…well, first of all, there was ample warning that an attack was imminent.  Estimates are that at least 3 hours before the actual attack, the consulate was under surveillance and roadblocks were being established in the surrounding area.  Big clue.  Nothing was done.

When the attack commenced, no one knew how long it was going to last.  No support forces were deployed.

After the team had evacuated it was attacked all along the route and the assault continued for hours after.  The security forces continually called for help.  It was pretty obvious that the attack was ongoing with no signs of ending.  One could excuse help for not arriving in time, but it’s difficult to explain that no help was ever deployed.  Even more difficult with the Obama administration lying and covering the incident up.