Why we need gov't in our health care

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Registered: 10-25-2006
Why we need gov't in our health care
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Wed, 02-29-2012 - 7:34am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17192520 Britain's NHS now recommends checks throughout life for patients who had gotten all-metal implants.

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/october/meet_the_new_health_.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTBYQlQ7yM

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Registered: 03-01-2012
Thu, 03-01-2012 - 2:21am

You know, a lot of people are making statements and grandiose plans for massive government institutions without any real understanding of the task. It's really ridiculous to design a solution to an extremely complicated issue just by casually thinking about it. When Intel wants to invent a new computer chip, does the CEO sketch it out himself one afternoon, or do they hire lots of expert engineers who spend years designing and testing?

Well, regarding health care, there are real experts who have made a scientific study of the issue and what can be done to improve it. They're called economists, and they have carefully studied history and developed understanding by building on a body of knowledge developed by some of the greatest thinkers of all time. Try reading people like Greg Mankiw, Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman. When you fully understand their ideas in the context of the greater economic logic, see if you can refute or improve their ideas. Then study some more to learn if you are right or wrong. Repeat for several hundred/thousand hours. After that, you might be able to make a worthwhile contribution to this important national discussion. Otherwise, it's like a child being put in charge of design at Intel - he may have all the enthusiasm and passion in the world, but he has no business making those kind of decisions. And no, watching one Michael Moore documentary is not an education. You can't learn circuit design from a 2 hour movie either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWBY9LBGdS8

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Registered: 03-03-2009
Fri, 03-02-2012 - 10:59pm
You have posted the exact same message twice in one day. One of those messages went into a thread which was almost three years old.

Why?

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 03-02-2009
Fri, 03-02-2012 - 11:20pm

Oh, jeez. That's not much of a reason to surrender our liberties to a massive government program. No thanks.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Sat, 03-03-2012 - 2:01pm

What liberties??????

dragowoman

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Sat, 03-03-2012 - 9:45pm

Friedman says we need to get rid of licensure of physicians and there is no place for gov't in health care......no need to read more to learn of his ideas.

Mankiw admits he's more of a libertarian than a communitarian....no need to rad more to learn of his ideas.

Sowell is afraid of all of our medical records going to D.C.; I am not.

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/october/meet_the_new_health_.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTBYQlQ7yM

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Registered: 03-13-2012
Tue, 03-13-2012 - 3:35pm

I'm a conservative and have been a fan of Thomas Sowell for a number of years.

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Tue, 03-13-2012 - 11:30pm
PriscillaMS wrote:

I'm a conservative and have been a fan of Thomas Sowell for a number of years.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Registered: 10-25-2006
Wed, 03-14-2012 - 3:04pm

If you look at Table 2 in the CBO report, you will see that the CBO is projecting a net deceast of $48 billion compared to last year's estimate.

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/october/meet_the_new_health_.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTBYQlQ7yM

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Registered: 03-02-2009
Wed, 03-14-2012 - 11:24pm

And let's not overlook another Trillion $$$ budget deficit dropped on our laps by the Obama train wreck. I wonder if he will ever go an entire year without adding a trillion or more $$$ to our debt? I doubt even Vegas would take that bet.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Registered: 03-03-2009
Thu, 03-15-2012 - 6:46pm
I am a liberal, no fan of Thomas Sowell. That said, I'm no huge fan of ACA either. BTW, there isn't much chance of getting a response from the poster you're responding to. The individual posted the exact same message twice in two different threads. Never did get an explanation of why.

What we have now is not working. It's private but it's not free market. Have a look at this for a very brief overview of one substantial factor in surging costs: http://reason.org/blog/show/breaking-the-ama-monopoly Or if you want to read what Milton Friedman said, here's a link: http://www.fff.org/freedom/0194e.asp

Consider the amount of time spent in processing health care claims through insurance companies. How can that possibly be either cost effective or efficient?!

Would you acquiesce to automobile maintenance and repair through an insurance company in anything but an accident where another was at fault? Yet most of us are so brainwashed that we accept insurance as synonymous with health care, whether it's routine or emergency. Makes NO sense.

Ergo, you may be wary of trusting federal programs but right now the private alternatives have been totally ineffective in providing affordable, accessible, quality health care for us all.

Jabberwocka

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