Didn't know I was only going to receive 2 weeks salary this month... need advice please!

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Didn't know I was only going to receive 2 weeks salary this month... need advice please!
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Mon, 07-28-2014 - 5:27am

Hi all,

So I have another question regarding my current job, related to receiving salary. It seems the company's payroll works between the 21st and the 21st of next month, and since I've started working on the 11th, I'll only receive 2 weeks salary this month. Well, I've only been told this last Friday and was a bit shocked. Before I started working I came to the office one day to sign the contract and they didn't tell me this (I'm guessing they forgot to) and it's also not on the contract. The thing is, I'll only be receiving 2 weeks of work this month and that kinda puts me on the red line...

Before I started working here, one of my clients as a freelancer was a marketing agency and I stopped working for them when I started here. If I knew this about the salary beforehand, I would continue working for them on my free time at home until the end of the month, so I'll have more money this month.

Well, but the thing this, I've brought a client I had whilst freelancing into this new company I'm working now and I've asked the owner of the company if I could invoice this client myself this month and then next month it would be his company invoicing him. Well, it seems he was astonished by my question, he even replied to my email with the HR company as Cc, saying that he doesn't think that's fair since the work I've done was from his premises and that cannot be done. I guess so, but the client was mine before, and it's also not fair that they didn't mention to me before about the salary dates! This is something important that I needed to know when I started! Well, my boyfriend also works for one of his companies and he's even blaming him for not telling me that about the salary, when this was his responsibility, not my boyfriend's!

I'm a bit sad about all this to be honest, not because he said no when I asked to work from home one day per week, and now said no again to my request, but because of the way he now responded to my email, all shocked with my request! Well, if it wasn't me, there wouldn't be any client in the first place...

I'm starting to miss so much my freelance work, not having to go trough other's rules and being my own boss. Oh how I miss that now! Please give me some advice. Thank you in advance!

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Registered: 01-16-2013

I have read a few of your posts and honestly, by what I've read, it sounds to me like you need to find something else. You aren't happy and aren't likely to be happy where you are so why stay?

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Your behavior, and your complaints, display immaturity and a lack of common sense.  It is YOUR responsibility, and no one elses, to make sure you know all aspects of a job, or ANY business agreement, before you accept it.  The moment you became an employee, "your" clients became your employer's clients.  The fact that they followed you to your new employer is immaterial.  Your request to bill a customer directly, for work done by you the employee, while on your employer's time and dime, goes beyond foolish, to plain stupid. 

(1) You are NOT entitled to payment for the job, you are only entitled to your wage. 

(2)  Your wage is payable by your employer, with all necessary taxes and deductions removed.  It is NOT payable by your employer's customer.

(3) Even if for some magical reason none of the previous applied, sending out your own bill would NOT guarantee money in your hand tomorrow.  30 days would be the earliest expectation.  Receiving a REGULAR PAYCHECK, instead of waiting on customers, is precisely the reason people work for others instead of themselves.

Now, let's discuss the fact that both you and your boyfriend work for the same guy, even if it is in different businesses.  Your behavior has placed BOTH your jobs in jeopardy.  You are living hand to mouth, which is the reason you became an employee, so behavior which threatens the likelihood of BOTH OF YOU continuing to be employees, once again indicates poor judgment.

And finally, your continuous fantasizing about the joys of being a freelancer, while neglecting the obvious fact that it did not support you, is more continuing proof that you need to wake up and grow up.

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Registered: 06-07-2014

The fact being a freelancer didn't support me was because I was only working 3 days per week and that was not enough for me to do the work and also do personal marketing and go find other clients. That was the reason. That doesn't mean that I cannot go back to freelancing in the future and dreaming about that, because that's what I like doing. If I needed to wake up and grow up I wouldn't even look for a full-time job now.

I don't agree when you say that "The moment you became an employee, "your" clients became your employer's clients.". I had no obligation to bring my freelance clients into his business, he asked me if I wanted to do it and I said yes. And I agree, it's my responsibility to know everything I need to know about a job, but I was supposed to have had an induction when I started to go trough all these things, and I didn't, it has been postponed forever. And he even realised they forgot to mention that to me, because it's not in the contract.

I don't think I did something to jeopardise my job or my boyfriend's job, I asked a simple question. Maybe I'm not really tailored for this and am better off working for myself. I have been working for myself for so long that I really don't know how to fit into "office rules" anymore.

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Registered: 09-23-2010

fairygirl2014 wrote:
Maybe I'm not really tailored for this and am better off working for myself. I have been working for myself for so long that I really don't know how to fit into "office rules" anymore.

I think that's part of it. Offices are like politics. There is a way to do things and stepping on toes — which is what you essentially did by asking to bill a client outside of work — is going to put you on a list, and not a good one. IF your boss knows your boyfriend and you are dating, it can definitely put his job at risk. The owner of the company is not required to keep his feelings of you out of interactions, and if you tick him off enough, he can certainly take it out on your boyfriend. Ethical? No. But it (and much worse!) happens. Tread carefully.

fairygirl2014 wrote:
 I don't agree when you say that "The moment you became an employee, "your" clients became your employer's clients.". I had no obligation to bring my freelance clients into his business, he asked me if I wanted to do it and I said yes.

I know this isn't directed at me, but I can assure you, that it is true, only it's worded a bit funky. The moment you did a speck of work for them while being employed by the new company on company time, they are now the company's client, not yours. If you were freelancing from home, for example, then they would still be YOUR client, not the company's client. If you were to leave, you'd have to 'woo' them away. Think of the movie Jerry McGuire. When he said he was leaving the company he tried to get clients to go with him. You'd have to do the same. Of course it's more likely your client that you brought in would go with you, but that's just an example. 

I do agree with others that asking to bill the client outside of the company was a bit naïve.  Think of it this way, if you were a hairdresser and moved from one salon to another, and a client followed you and you did her hair while at the new salon, would you bill her separately from the salon? No, you wouldn't dream of doing so, and that's why your boss was so shocked in his reply.  It was completely unprofessional to ask that. 

I also agree that I think it's time you look for something else. This business doesn't seem to be a good fit for you. GL!!


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Registered: 06-07-2014

Thanks for your reply Ubergeek!

Maybe I was a bit naive, but I was kinda desperated when I knew that I'll will only receive 2 weeks salary this month, since no one told me this before and I have to pay my daughter's nursery (besides the rent and all other bills). 

I didn't mean I would work for client during working hours and bill them myself on a regular basis! I asked that question regarding this specific situation, nothing else! If he wasn't a client I brought, I wouldn't even ask it in the first place.

I didn't have a paycheck or office politics for a very long time and I'm so used to be very informal with my clients and ask things and that's what I just did (yeah, being naive). I hope this doesn't backlash on my boyfriend but if it does I guess I'll have to find a new job elsewhere.

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Registered: 04-16-2009

I agree ith Sabr and this comes from someone who has been a contractor for over 30 years as well as an employee at the end of my career.

1- You were not able to fund yourself full time as a freelancer. That is understandable because it takes more than 9 to 5 hours to do that. Three days a week is not going to cut it.   You have to constantly be on the hunt for more work, while you are working on current contract. It is not a 5 day a week job; more like a 7 day a week. You have to put yourself on a salary while putting aside a certain amount for marketing and to live off during the "guiet times".  Your charge rate has to reflect that; that is why private contractors tend to be more expensive than companies. The sucessful freelancers/contractors tend to be people with a proven track record. These are people who customers do not mind paying top dollar for their services.

I would not record this approach to making a living for any young person unless they have a safety net (a partner who works fultime) or their expenses are very low.

When you closed your business effectively the day before you started your new job, did you send out final invoices for the work done TO DATE?  Your new company has no obligation to reinburse you for work you did up to the 10th. They were not in control of th equality of the work; they did not have a contract with YOUR customers. You DID. 

I am sure that your employer will be billing for your time to the customers from the 11th onwards; they will not bill for before the 10th unless they have "bought your company out" and taking over all liabilities and assets which I doubt that happened here.

If you haven't bill for work done prior to the 11th, do so. But make it very clear to your customers and to your employer that is what you are doing. Of course, you can only bill for work/hours your customer agreed to and it can get "messy" if that work was not to the customer's satisfaction or if it was for on-going, not completed work. You should have discussed ALL THAT before you signed your work contract. You might have "to swallow" the hours and chalk it up to a lesson learned.

2-ALL COMPANIES have set schedules to pay their employees. You worked from the 11 to the 21st; you will be paid for that time ON THE JOB. The company has no obligation to pay you for the 22nd to the 10th, you were not an employee. And then next payday, you will be paid from the 22nd to the 21st. I do not understand your complaining. Do you expect to be paid for work you did not do?

Whenever ANY ONE starts a new job, one question that employees always ask is when is payday and wheither the company issues paychecks every two weeks of 1 month, what the benefits are etc.. Typically here, support staff are paid every 2 weeks and professionals, every month. You SHOULD have known that before hand especially since you said your b/f works for the same company.  It is NOT the employer's responsibility to hold the hands of their employees; to inform them on every little aspect of their employment. You did not ask the question so they would assume when you got paid was "no big deal".

3- You do not own your customers. They are free to "follow you" or not. If they "followed" you to the new company, their "contract of service" is no longer with you but with the company. You are using the company's infrastructure-office, electricity, heat, support staff etc.. By billing customer's directly while you are employee and using the company's infrastructure is theft and grounds for dismissal.

4- It is not the company's responsibility to make sure you are "not short" at the end of the month because you DID NOT work the full month for them. That is your responsibility to manage your money better. Get yourself a part-time job at a coffee shop, cut down on expenses etc.. BUT DO NOT DO ANY WORK THAT IS COMPETITION WITH YOUR PRESENT EMPLOYER.

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Registered: 04-08-2008

I think that it's understandable to be confused about the pay, and I would be upset as well, finding out last minute. When I started at my new compan I was given a welcome packet and it included a pay schedule for the year. What I'm not following is that this doesn't sound like a start up, so I'm really confused on that front. How was there an established pay schedule if this was a new business? If you're employed buy an umbrella company they  REALLY dropped the ball in not supplying you with proper documents. Yes you could have/should have, yadda yadda, but they too need to get you the proper documents. I'm not sure I would have thought to have asked about the pay schedule at my new company if one wasn't supplied. 

fairygirl2014 wrote:
I didn't mean I would work for client during working hours and bill them myself on a regular basis! I asked that question regarding this specific situation, nothing else! If he wasn't a client I brought, I wouldn't even ask it in the first place.

Was this work you did PRIOR to the new business? If so, then absolutely you can bill the client. Is that what you meant? 

What I would do now is:

1) Have a sit down with the boss and discuss job duties. This needs to be set in writing. 
2) Find out about getting ahold of a human resource packet of sorts. Are you contract or employee? Some things you say make me think contract but then other things make me think employee. 
3) Start looking elsewhere for another position. Even try building up some freelance work. At least it will boost your resume.


 


demecafe

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Registered: 06-07-2014

Mom_iteadrinker, first of all, thank you for your reply. I'll respond to your comments:

1- That's true, I wasn´t able to fund myself and that's true, 3 days per week it's not enough to build a freelance business. If I did have more time/days per week I would go and find more clients, not go back to a full-time job.

I was invoicing my clients at the end of each month, this particular client I brought with me I was going to invoice him myself at the end of this month for the work I still did from home up until the 10th of this month and then the rest of the month it would be the company invoicing him. That was what I was going to do before I knew about the company pay dates.

2. I appreciate that one question employees always ask is when is payday. I haven't been an employee for a long time and therefore I didn't remember to ask. Also, as I've said, I was supposed to have an induction and to know all company terms and rules on my first day/week at work and it has been postponed since. Actually, it was in a very informal way around the coffee machine that the owner of the company asked me if anyone told me about the payday...

3. Of course I don't own clients and cannot bill them directly, I know that! My request to him was about a VERY specific situation, not as a general thing that I'll be doing every month! 

4. Of course it's not their responsibility if I'm short of money at the end of the month, but I guess it's their responsibility to give me a proper induction on my first week as stated on my contract of employment.

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Thank you Demecafe for your reply.

This is a start-up but because he has other businesses, he's basically maintaining all established terms and schedules for the start-up as it is for the other companies. To make things easier for him I guess.

Well, the thing is, when he proposed me to start this new company with him, I didn't think I was going to be an employee... because we talked about me not even having a salary and earn dividends (I just started with a salary but will go into a small salary plus dividends), we talked about me being the director, and he even asked me for me to do the business plan for the company. For all this I thought we were going to be more like partners (like a synergy between different resources) or that I would work more as a contractor rather than an employee.

I didn't know that I was going to be a simple employee with fixed working hours and etc, that's why I asked him about the possibility of working from home one day per week and now about the invoicing. I am now realising I'm just an employee and I don't get it why if I'm just an employee,  why I am responsible for invoicing the clients? Or why do I have to do the business plan myself? Shouldn't he being doing the business plan since he's the owner and I'm just an employee!?

I guess I was confused about all this, I thought I was entering something and in reality I'm entering a different thing, and my requests were based on my first assumptions. That's why I've said before that I don't know if I want to be in this like this way and if I have to be in a full-time job, if I shouldn't be in a more well-paid one (I'm earning less than my last full-time job and less than I should for such a big responsibility and work). Basically I accepted this job because it seemed more than a job, it seemed starting a new venture in a different fashion than just being an employee.

So if I was an employee in a company where I would have a bigger salary, I would still be in an office 9-5 but at least the money would be good. And many companies offer more flexibility for positions like mine (graphic designer) like the possiblity to work from home a few days for example. Hope this clarifies a bit and you all don't think I'm crazy...

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Oh, and if in one hand I think I should sit down with him and clarify all this, on the other hand I'm now scared of doing it and lose this job before I have something else.

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