Busty cleavage, whats your thought?
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Busty cleavage, whats your thought?
| Thu, 10-14-2004 - 11:09am |
Busty cleavage, whats your thought?
- Too flirtatious, no sense of self respect.
- Sometimes just innocently trying to be a tiny bit more attractive.
- With professional attire, very self-confident.
- Inappropriate; kids and churchgoers shouldn't be exposed to that.
- Who cares, enjoy it or ignore it.
- Other.
You will not be able to change your vote.

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And while our church doesn't have a dress code, persay, it is assumed that people will use good judgement and common sense about that, considering the wide range of backgrounds and ages of the membership.
However, if a person had nothing but shorts or sweats to wear, then a member would take him or her shopping so that they would feel more comfortable attending services.
So, the choice is to express one's sexuality whenever and however one likes, or to stop and think about the appropriateness of it.
Once again, your breastfeeding analogy isn't relevant to this subject since a breastfeeding mother isn't trying to be provocative. And no woman I know has not been able to go to the ladies lounge, etc. during services to breastfeed. I did the same myself. Sitting there was unnecessary but even if I had chosen to and the blanket slipped and a breast was exposed, the intent was NOT to be sexually provocative, it was to feed my baby. The intent makes the difference.
But to say that most people don't think of breasts as sexual in the culture we live in is silly. Of course they do and they are used to sell everything but pancake mix. Why else have breast implant surgeries skyrocketed?
We do have the option to agree to disagree on the subject though.
Edited 10/18/2004 6:32 pm ET ET by katmandoo2001
Hey, Ivillage, someone clumped my post all together. I separated the paragraphs again, can ya lay off?!"
I think assuming that everyone feels the same way you do about anything is a mistake. But I always say, when in doubt, don't."
But that was my point. That these people don't have any doubts. They think it's totally appropriate. "
Once again, your breastfeeding analogy isn't relevant to this subject since a breastfeeding mother isn't trying to be provocative."
But you assume that these women are trying to be. I contend that they're not."
And no woman I know has not been able to go to the ladies lounge during services to breastfeed. I did the same myself. Sitting there was unnecessary."
Why is it unnecessary? Why is breastfeeding outlawed, particularly in church? lol Seems backwards somehow. ;-)"
But to say that people don't think of breasts as sexual in the culture we live in is silly. Of course they do and they are used to sell everything but pancake mix. Why else have breast implant surgery skyrocketed?"
I never said that people don't think of them as being sexual, I said that NOT ALL people do. I simply don't feel that the big woman who is showing cleavage, or a woman who wear an oxford styled shirt buttoned down to show a crack, or wearing a low cut spaghetti strap summer top, is trying to titillate. So TO ME, if the mother breastfeeding is OK because she's not purposely being provocative, then so would be any of these other women whom I don't believe are trying to be. Just because SOME or even MOST people think of breasts as ONLY being sexual, doesn't mean we all have to or even will. Not everyone will get aroused from cleavage.
"We do have the option to agree to disagree on the subject though."
Of course.
P.S. Here's a link to a pic of the stars of Desperate Housewives. I could say that I've seen women in church wearing everything that the four on the right are, however, not what Nicolette Sheridan is wearing. I really didn't believe that they believed that they were being disrespectful to anyone, just being themselves.
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-24641/
Edited 10/18/2004 6:42 pm ET ET by root_of_all_evil
I'm a woman and when I spend 45 minutes getting into a pushup bra and low cut dress, it's not because I want my DH to notice my dress! Come on.
And where did I say that breastfeeding was " outlawed in church?" I said that I chose to breastfeed in private for my own and my baby's comfort. As well as for those around me who may have been uncomfortable. That was by choice, not by law.
I also did NOT say that wearing spaghetti straps or showing a hint of cleavage was the same as wearing a pushup bra with a cut-to-there top. Once again, you're making assumptions about my meaning AND you're talking about two different types of clothing.
We CAN disagree without the need to twist words or make things up though, really.
Edited 10/18/2004 6:58 pm ET ET by katmandoo2001
Edited 10/18/2004 6:58 pm ET ET by katmandoo2001
Dolly Parton! Great Example. Do you know why she is the way she is? She said that when she was very young she met a woman who came to her home. She thought that she was the MOST BEAUTIFUL thing she had ever seen and wanted to be like her. I don't know much about her, but the thing is she liked her look. I also think she's a classy lady, but I may not base that on her looks. And if I were to be around her, I wouldn't find her offensive. If that's what she likes wearing, then more power to her. I don't need for her to conform to my way to make me more comfortable.
Well...you made it sound as though it wasn't acceptable to do it in church which is why I I said "outlawed". Is it outlawed because breasts are so sexual? Seems backwards that we have to hide our breasts from people and babies in public because our culture sees them ONLY as sexual toys.
I thought we were talking about normal cleavage as being offensive.
I'm sorry if you felt I twisted your words, not meaning to.
Edited 10/18/2004 7:12 pm ET ET by root_of_all_evil
"I'm a woman and when I spend 45 minutes getting into a pushup bra and low cut dress, it's not because I want my DH to notice my dress! Come on."
When you do wear a push-up bra and low cut dress, is it only for your DH, or do you not think that other men notice, including men who are with other women?
Edited 10/18/2004 7:34 pm ET ET by root_of_all_evil
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She said that as a poor young girl in a family of 15, or whatever it was, she was starved for attention and of course, she noticed how the town prostitutes got so much by dressing provocatively, etc. so of course, she began copying what she saw. Simple as that.
I agree that we should all be able to dress any way we choose but I also think we're responsible for the message we're sending with those choices. First impressions are often hard to shake.
And I simply expressed an opinion about dressing provocatively in church and at work.
Edited 10/19/2004 2:05 am ET ET by katmandoo2001
But if my DH and I are going out dancing at a club, etc. and I am dressed provocatively then in THAT environment, I'm not going to be the only woman dressed that way so it's not my problem if other men look. Once again, time and place.
I dress provocatively for my DH only though, and so I never go out alone dressed that way since I don't want to appear to invite the sexual attention of other men. But that's just me, I realize other women are different.
Edited 10/19/2004 1:33 am ET ET by katmandoo2001
"And I simply expressed an opinion about dressing provocatively in church and at work."
You also specified the supermarket.
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