Does size define masculinity?

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Does size define masculinity?
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Sat, 10-29-2005 - 4:51pm

Several threads over the last 6 months have got me wondering:
Does size define a guy's masculinity?

If you'd answer yes, then how much weight would you attribute to this physical feature in how you view a guy's masculinity?

If you'd answer somewhat, then what weight would you attribute to a guy's size in your list of masculine attributes both physical and personal?

If you'd answer no, then what attributes both physical and personal do you define as being masculine?

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Mon, 11-07-2005 - 8:49am
Been I just dont know where to start after your last post. Your obsession with penis size amazes me. I`ll give you this, if given a choice a woman probably would choose an average size penis over a 3 inch penis, if it were just a sexual connection. However, most women probably feel the same about an average penis over a 9 inch penis. You see the vagina with shrink or expand to "enjoy" most sizes. But if a guy is too long, it can cause pain by hitting bottom, or at least cause a fear of pain. Several women have told me , and I have read it in forums that having a man slip up and bang into their cervix hurts really bad, and if he does it once they keep thinking of the possibility of it happening again.
The fact that you wear jeans tight enough to attract attention to your new "package" tells me that you would fit right into the locker room mentality. It sounds to me that you have bought into a message that is spewed by people who are immature or uneducated in the ways of the world, at best. Ultimately a big dick is NOT what most women look for in a man. It is a warm, caring intelligent,unselfish,ambitious,hard working man who loves her. Size only comes into play , for most women, if it is way too small or way too big....Even then , where love is involved they learn to adapt.
There will always be size queens, but they are in the minority. There is a reason why
there are average sized guys, they fit nicely into an average size vagina.
In my case, I am a larger than average, but I do not think it has made any difference in my searches for my perfect mate.
Even at my size, I have had to be very carful when Ive been with women who are on the shallow side..Its not fun for either of us...Who wants to have to "be careful" during sex?
Ive also been with a couple women who whould tell me during sex, "go deeper".. Sorry hon thats all I have..lol But that was only two women...Maybe they need a 9"er..
Your attitude about women and their concern for size is aimed at a very very small percentage of women.
Many of the women here are on the more intelligent side of what women really like and want, and they dont buy into the mentality that you are talking about...I`ll take the opinion of a self aware intelligent woman over an immature ego influenced person any day.
Listen to Tish, Aisha, Kat, and some of the others here who think rationally, they represent more of the true attitude thats out there than what a few size queens represent.
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Mon, 11-07-2005 - 2:14pm

I don't wear tight jeans. They are regular fit, but can still indicate if a guy has more than average for flaccid. My viewpoint about size matters is misunderstood somewhat. Ok, I think we agree there are size queens that size is important to and that they are in a minority percentage. Size queens keep getting stressed in this forum as if to say a woman is either a size queen or doesn't care about size. Either one or the other. Let's forget about sizequeens for a moment so that maybe it will help clarify my viewpoint.

What I believe is that amongst the remaining women (sizequeens left out of the picture here) there are those that extra size does make a difference to in bed. They don't put importance on it though. Some (not all) of these women have bigger than average size vaginas.

There are also those that extra size isn't better to, and average is better to. Some of these women (not all) have smaller than average size vaginas.

There are also women that don't care about size either way. It makes no difference to them.

The other qualities you mentioned that a women look for in a man do matter. Except for size queens, with women penis size isn't up there in ranking with those qualities. However, (not including size queens here) the group of women that prefer bigger, and the group of women that prefer average still have their penis size preferences despite the fact there are more important qualities than a penis to them. In the bedroom, size makes a difference in her level of enjoyment during intercourse, but if a guy has those other more important qualities she's not usually going to even think about how some extra size or less size would be more optimum for her.

Some here may agree with above assessment, I don't know. Here's where I know I vary from most here: Everything I've checked indicates that there are more women in the two groups that prefer above average or big, than the other two groups combined (those that prefer average and those that size doesnt matter to).

BTW, you tried to invalidate the opinions of women (the same ones you just so happened to agree with until I pointed out they aren't saying what you said they did). 7"ers go into the above average group, not into the average size group and below. You've never said 7" was average before, and only suddenly came up with that recently to swing the charts I was presenting. Also, once again, there are two sides to the part about female misconceptions about size. Yes, they will see a guy as bigger than he is after being with smaller, but it also often happens once women have been with above average and bigger they will see a smaller guy as smaller than he really is. You keep leaving that second part out completely.

Humpdaddy, unless I'm mistaken, I'm thinking that it was you that use to run many polls here. I remember thinking way back when I first visited here that you were someone similiar to me, someone who wanted to see if opinions are right, wrong, or somewhere in between right and wrong. I was happy to see someone else who didn't just have an opinion formed to believe whatever it was they wanted to believe, and was willing to check their own opinion's validation out. We are all human, prone to all kind of mistakes, and so why not realise our opinions can be ill formed also. I now wonder why you bothered to do surveys on any subjects that your mind was already made up about. I can understand your doing surveys when your mind isn't strongly formed on it, as you are certainly more open to the results then I'm sure. There's nothing wrong with questioning the results of surveys. There are very good reasons to at times. But to suddenly move the 7"ers into the average group, saying 7"ers aren't big and belong classified with average and small (they are still extra size and considered so by women) was clearly a sudden manuever that doesn't fit your previous viewpoints. Also, to only say that women see bigger than is, and therefore the charts/opinions are inflated, and to not even mention they also see smaller than is, is clearly biased thinking. Not objective at all. It's just like you thought almost all women in that stripper forum wanted "average" size (7" isn't "average"). I put the numbers up showing your memory was faulty, and influenced by what you wanted to remember. I have no doubt that what happened was you recalled the ones that did say average, and didn't much recall the others that didn't fall in line with your viewpoint. It's called selective memory. I'm not isolating you - selective memory is a well documented pyschological way of seeing things the way we want to. We are all prone to do it, but some are more prone to it than others.

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Mon, 11-07-2005 - 2:24pm

Thanks Hump. I know how women feel being judged by the size, etc. of body parts, and it's not fun, in fact it feels very demeaning. So, I find it very difficult to believe that men WANT to be judged by the size of their penises.

I guess I just do NOT understand this fascination with one's own penis. I have genitals myself but I don't study, research, explore and obsess over them to this extent. I tend to think that at some point, it becomes unhealthy and completely misses the point of their purpose.




Edited 11/7/2005 2:28 pm ET by katmandoo2001
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Mon, 11-07-2005 - 2:31pm
To be clearer on something in my previous post. I realise you said 7" isn't big, so therefore you thought it should be put with the 5 and 6"ers to show you had a mojority. The well known question about size matters doesn't ask 'Is Big Better'. It asks 'Is Bigger Better'. People have always separated average from the 'bigger'. Most guys fall within an average size range, and it's been clearly understood that bigger represents more than the usual, more than the majority of guys. You know that, but yet suddenly moved the bar on the chart anyway when debating the results. I don't feel like I'm getting a fair debate here.
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Mon, 11-07-2005 - 2:40pm
I'm also just as obsessed about opinions being correct. Not all women dislike being watched going down the street for their body parts. Some enjoy it. It's a natural attraction for men that 'survival of the species' has put in place. I'm not dismissing the mind at all. I'll take things like a smart mind or good personality with an average body anyday over over a drop dead knockout build with a dumb mind or personality. On the other hand, that doesn't mean that I still don't prefer a great build over an average body all else being equal.
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Mon, 11-07-2005 - 4:23pm

It all depends on WHO is doing the looking though. LOL! Time and place are also important considerations. I don't mind being admired but being JUDGED based on physical attributes alone is demeaning.

And there is NO correct or incorrect opinion. An opinion is an opinion and they are all equal, whether you agree with them or not.




Edited 11/7/2005 4:37 pm ET by katmandoo2001
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Mon, 11-07-2005 - 5:57pm
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, you're are correct. It makes for interesting stuff but is also a weakness of forums for answers are often not accurate. People looking for answers often don't realise that those responding are often just giving opinion and not fact, for it is presented as if they fully know. For instance, a common question is "What is the average size for a penis?", and at times the questioner will state his size along with question. A common answer in this forum is to not worry about size, as it makes no difference except for very few women, and that the average penis size 5.25". The truth of the matter is size is not an IMPORTANT aspect except for a small pecentage of women, size does make at least some difference to plenty of women, and the average penis size is longer than 5.25" if staff studies are looked at as a whole. There are many (I'm not talking about self measured here) staff measured studies show the average mean (midpoint of an average range, like 5.25" is presented as)around 6". The 5.25" result was in one study of not all that many white college guys, and was the smallest average result by far amongst many staff measured studies (except for a Korean doctor study), and is the one that people like to latch onto and present as "the average penis size is ...", not caring to check out the other staff measured studies as this smallest study suits them perfectly. Selective memory, and biased opinions, no? To further coincide with this, the poster will sometimes follow that up by saying it's proven in a study women have no feelings beyond the first three inches. They don't even know "that proven" was done in the 1950s by Masters and Johnson (well, a few know it as they mention it by name, but don't realise it was 50 years ago and that Masters and Johnson have had much of their various "results" shown very questionable by experts in their field. People don't realise Masyers and Johnson were husband and wife.), and it's now known women do have some feeling deep down. Also the cul de sac has come into play. I've made my point, but I know it doesnt change anything. Those here will continue to say the average is just over 5". Women who have been with a least a small sampling of men know better.
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Mon, 11-07-2005 - 6:38pm
Been I never said 7" was average, if you go back I said it was slightly longer than ave...My point was that the majority of the women in your results wanted 7" or less...again Im thinking most women dont know the real size and guess.Your point about seeing a big one and then guessing a smaller ones size is welll taken, but since there are way more average and small ones, the odds are in my favor about a woman seeing a smaller one and thinking a 7" is 8 or 9". Then you add ego and , there ya go, over estimation.
Yes when I was new here I compared polls from this forum and a couple others, and they were normally similar...A few wanting large and most wanting ave or slightly bigger than ave.(@7)
AS FOR FOR MY MEMORY, IT IS FINE ...YOUR HOWEVER IS TAINTED..
BY THE WAY, IN SOME POLLS AVE IS UP TO 6.5...WE`RE TALKING A HALF AN INCH HERE, SHEESH.
I never said anything to sway my view point
Sheesh why am I trying to convince a guy who is hell bent on thinking most women want a huge penis.......
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Mon, 11-07-2005 - 6:43pm
Been according to the penis charts on a poll similar to its name 92.5 percent of men are 7" or less..that means 7.5 % are bigger than that..so whats your point?
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Mon, 11-07-2005 - 6:55pm
I'm don't think, or want to think, all women want huge penises. Surveys overall show average is 6". 7" is above average. Yes, you didn't say 7" was average, you said not big. I amended that in a brief post afterwards to be clear I realised that. My point is 'bigger is better' means above average and upward. 7" is in that group.