Penis Size Debate

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Penis Size Debate
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Fri, 03-10-2006 - 11:37pm

If others have seen my posts on penis size, completely ignore them because I often post when I am frustrated or temporarily insane.

Anyhow, the debate goes on and on, and reflecting on all the archives, it is the same story, but yet everyone can begin the debate all over, like me. Here is my take on it.

Does size matter? Depends. If yes, how much? Depends.

I took a rough survey using the 700 plus posts on the subject and I have come up with really rough numbers that classify 4 types of women. Now, women who dont really care about size because they dont really care too much about sex are not included. I am tempted to not include women who have only had less than 3 partners, but I figured that is too discriminating, although 80% of women now probably do have at least 3 partners, so.....

Anyhow, here is my take

35%(group A) Size doesnt matter in the slightest for all intensive purposes
45%(group B) They "prefer" big enough to feel completely full, but if not, no worries.
15%(group C) They NEED to feel quite full.
5% (group E) size queen (Need to be filled and a whole lot more!)

I dont want to get into semantics about G-spots, hot spots in the vagina, size of vagina, etc. Lets just say that being full means a very snug/tight feeling around the penis for a sufficient "enough" depth. For some, that could be 5x4.5, and for others, 9x7.

Now, men who are insecure (or secure well hung macho-bacho men) will feel that 65% (45+15+5) of women think size is quite important. The insecure men might hear a completely honest woman from group B say, "7.5x5.5 is better(all else equal), but 5.5x4.5 will do just fine", and feel bad about it.

If men are secure, they might feel that 80% (45+35) of women dont care to a significant degree. Among the women who do care, some only need "6x5" to feel full enough anyway.

My numbers are HIGHLY debatable, but ASSUMING they are right, my conclusion is:

Even though size does clearly "matter" for the simple majority, a confident man will find that it only REALLY matters 20% of the time at MOST! This is how I feel personally.

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Registered: 04-17-2003
Thu, 04-06-2006 - 12:02pm

Hey, I never said you were a crook. You might work for crooks for all I know, but I won't say you are until you start posting links to sites that charge for this kind of quackery.

I usually don't get so confrontational in postings, but hey, the topic does say DEBATE and the stuff you're pitching is pure bullschweebie. But I'll stop if you do one of two things:

Show a picture of some poor sap hanging weights off his penis.
or
Show something from a credible source, because webmd, netdoctor, nejm etc... all have the same things to say about these so-called exercises:

They don't work :)

 

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Registered: 07-05-2005
Thu, 04-06-2006 - 12:31pm
You automatically associate my post saying that penis enlargement is possible, as being a bad thing because of scam artists. My post is because I know it's possible, and the truth isn't being presented, and there are guys who need to know they could be bigger. While you think my post is bad, I think yours is, though i don't blame you. You just don't know any better. You are re-enforcing the thought that it's impossible. How about guys that are small and have been laughed at, and can't just "forget about it"? There are indeed a few doctors that will say it's possible, but think it's too risky. They really haven't investigated it throughly. Docs don't know everything, far from it.
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Registered: 12-24-2005
Thu, 04-06-2006 - 2:01pm

This debate is becoming totally inane--though somewhat entertaining.


Bottom line: Prove it or lose it.


If you can't substantiate your words with a reliable source, they're meaningless.


Meanwhile, any information on gaining height?


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Registered: 04-17-2003
Thu, 04-06-2006 - 4:52pm

Really dude, no outright disrespect intended. But I'm going to go with the opinion of an accredited Medical Professional than the words of someone who claims to be obsessed with the size of his penis.

As for the guys who have been 'laughed at', I think most women on here would say the same thing: They should find a mature and loving woman.

 

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Registered: 12-20-2004
Thu, 04-06-2006 - 5:13pm
Been, I am one of the guys you have debated with in the past...I`m one who has no problem with my size, probably because I`ve never been laughed at because I am of above ave size in both length and girth... Not by much though..Take a guy who is 7" long, should he be desiring a 9" penis just because he cant hit bottom with the really deep vaginas out there?..I dont think so..But I think some guys` obsession is that they would idealy want a penis that is too long for EVERY woman.. I have a better idea for these guys, if size is all that important, find a woman you can work well with in the FIT department..Because fit is a lot more important than a guys size. A smaller guy may do fine with an average to smaller size vagina right?.. When will these guys learn that size queens have LARGE vaginas..nothing more , nothing less. Let them search for the horse dicks of the world, while the masses will continue to please each other.
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Fri, 04-07-2006 - 9:45am

This feeling that enlarging one's penis will improve self esteem and overall sense of wellbeing seems to be akin to those women feeling the need to continue getting plastic surgery over and over and over.

Perhaps it's the rush of being proactive in dealing with the "problem" in question which is the initial success, no matter how minute, small and TEMPORARY an improvement may be. Then, it's not enough, they can't stop. Same type of compulsive behavior people display with any addiction or obsession.

Maybe this is the case with many men who've experienced minor results with this stretching technique and why drs. won't endorse it. It can be dangerous, obviously.

IMO, any kind of obsession is bad though because if you're obsessed with something, you're typically neglecting some other part(s)of your life or person to nurture the obsession.




Edited 4/7/2006 6:01 pm ET by katmandoo2001
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Registered: 04-23-2004
Fri, 04-07-2006 - 6:16pm

I never said I disagreed with your posts about the penis enlargement exercises and no, I don't think your pushing penis enlargement to make the almighty $$$.


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Registered: 04-04-2005
Fri, 04-07-2006 - 11:20pm

Haven't been around these parts in awhile so I wanted to give a "smaller" guy's perspective on this thread. Yes - there are indeed women out there for whom size is a BIG issue. Luckily they are in the minority. Most women are just fine with us smaller guys. Now the younger guys often are VERY hung up on their size - especially if they've been put down by a date or two for their size. But once they get their courage up and date some more they will find a woman for whom size matters way less than who they are as a person.

I have been dating a wonderful woman for 7 months now. She's blonde with green eyes is gorgeous and very open about her sexuality and has had lovers of all sizes from a 9"er to my 3.5"er. Like most women she prefers the feeling of "being filled up completely" which my shorter length cannot do. She tells me that my penis "feels really good" inside her but that it is "not orgasmic" as I cannot reach deep enough in her to make her come during intercourse. This is par for the course as only two lovers have been able to climax with my shorter penis - they've all loved my width (I'm really quite thick) but no matter how long I stroke most women (and I can last 30 minutes easily) I just cannot bring most lovers to a climax during intercourse.

So is this a serious problem in our relationship? No. There are wonderful work arounds. I've learned to become a very good oral lover and I will kiss her gladly until she comes as many times as she wants. It's very fun for me and her. Plus I've learned how to be a very good fingerer and can bring practically any lover to a climax with my hand in a very short time. Is sex enjoyable then? Yes - for both of us. The size debate will roll on but take it from a man who's statistically smaller than 99% of guys - if you love her for who she is a person and let her know how much you appreciate her in your life - the size thing is not that big a deal.
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Registered: 07-05-2005
Sat, 04-08-2006 - 9:06am

It's just the comments made like "you can't change it", and "
be happy or be unhappy are the only choices", and similiar type lines, that are even shouted at times, are stated like you know it's fact. Cerryl is absolutely certain it can't be done simply because doctors say so, and he shouts it out. I suppose I have to understand Cerryl chooses to believe the docs over my saying I gained. Basically he's saying I didn't gain. I don't take it personally because this is the internet and he doesn't know me. The only thing I wonder is how Cerryl can be so certain about it that there is no way no how it can be so. Tish doesn't know if it works or not, and yet says anyway that there is no option. I'm accused of being superficial and too obsessed to lead a normal life. That's not the case at all. I have some insecurity and some obsession about this one thing, but I haven't let it stop me from having been with a dozen women before I was married, and then marrying. Kat says that we guys may gain a bit (she's given in a bit then, from the former can't no way no how.), but then don't see the desired result, so we keep at it and are probably headed for injury and no more gains. Well, my wife does react more with my more size, and I'm betting she will even more with even more size. So kat has it wrong in why I'm continuing, I'm continuing for even more results from good results already occurring. To me, gaining about 1.25" in length and over a 1/4" in girth is not so insignificant a gain overall. I do expect more gain, but it is even slower now. Plus I haven't been working at it regularly at all lately (see, I'm not totally obsessed about it), so that effects results also. I doubt I will get injured, because I know what I'm doing. Don't believe me.

You can believe what you want to, of course. I just don't understand how you all can post to others that there are no choices, that nothing can be done, when you are aware of penis enlargement exercises and realise that, as humans that have not tried them yourselves, there is the at least chance you could be wrong. You haven't always been right about everything in your life have you? You don't have to believe me it works, I understand you don't know me. I'm ok with that. That's not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is that you know there are those who are saying it works. So even if you don't believe them, since you don't actually practice the exercises yourself then why not, at least, leave out saying it doesn't work, or that it's hardly any gain and always full of much risk, that nothing can be done. You could be wrong, no? The doctors could be wrong, no? Btw, as I said already, but it was naturally ignored, not all doctors say it's impossible. Can't you at least stop telling people nothing can be done. Just don't say that? This high road you take, that it's nothing but superficial hogwash for anyone to care about size, is rather arrogant isn't it? You are telling guys that can't mentally get over it, or simply move on, that it's an absolute hands down no way no how done deal that they have no options. That they shouldn't want to have an option anyway, for it's superficial nonsense he's concerned about. If you aren't going to at least make any mention about the ones who claim pe works, that's your choice, but since you are aware of pe advocates such as myself that swear it works, why are you so unwilling to at least stop saying there are no options? If you don't want to mention the claimed option, fine, but why must you state there are no options? You are so one sided in your high road vs supoerficial mindset, you refuse to at least be fair and therefore you must always say nothing can be done. You are good people, it's obvious to me you are, even if this is just the internet for me to go by, but my god you refuse to be fair.

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Registered: 08-14-2004
Sat, 04-08-2006 - 1:50pm

~I'm glad that I'm not in the present dating world, I can tell you that.~

It isnt bad all around, but sometimes people in their mid-20's are a lot less mature and prepared than they used to be in my opinion. My friends grew up reading Cosmo, Maxim, and watching MTV. Anyhow, let me just say, I have seen some cruel things happen. I have seen men hurting women's confidence and vice versa out of shallow behavior. Pretty pathetic actually. Anyway.

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