Penis!

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Fri, 07-01-2005 - 1:34pm

Hi, I've never posted on this board before, but I thought this was appropriate for this board.


Scientific studies seemed to have more objectivity in determining the average length of a man's penis.

 

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Registered: 07-05-2005
In reply to: jman75
Sun, 07-10-2005 - 10:46am

correction=

Late in my post I said "...that's what she was saying by being able to understand why men want bigger dicks..."

I meant "..by not being able to...

I accidently left "not" out.

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Registered: 01-11-2004
In reply to: jman75
Sun, 07-10-2005 - 11:04am

Hi been there:

Size does matter! "One in particular looked really mesmerized and finally I heard one of the ladies say to her "What's that look on your face? I thought you said it didn't matter?". She didn't answer and just continued with a glazed mesmerized wide eyed smile on her face."

When I met my wife, she was a virgin; she didn't have any expereince with number of penises. So for 30 years, she has only known my 4 inch penis; and has been happy!

MAYBE, the 21st century women (penis size concerned) have known TOO many men & penises in their lives. (point of view of a 55 year old guy)

Mac

 

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Registered: 12-24-2003
In reply to: jman75
Sun, 07-10-2005 - 12:32pm

Did it have a number for girth?

Girth seems to be the aspect of preference for women, yet length is always cited. Why is that?

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In reply to: jman75
Sun, 07-10-2005 - 12:42pm

"MAYBE, the 21st century women (penis size concerned) have known too many men and penises in their lives."

Very possible, Mac. After all, the perception for far too many women AND men-at least based on prevailing divorce rates, is that the grass will always be greener on the other side of the fence!




Edited 7/10/2005 12:51 pm ET ET by katmandoo2001
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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: jman75
Sun, 07-10-2005 - 12:50pm
No, the "in another breath" comment you mentioned of not understanding why men desire to be bigger didn't come from me. It came from Koronin. But I truly don't understand all the time and energy some men spend agonizing over size. I can understand the desire to be bigger if they feel inadequate though.
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Registered: 07-05-2005
In reply to: jman75
Sun, 07-10-2005 - 1:04pm

In the 'For those that say size matters-Why?' thread in post number 88 you called it a "perceived problem" and that is what sparked my long post in this thread. I would have put the post in the other thread, but wasn't sure which thread I had read it in and just selected this one to post.

You are correct though that you didn't say you don't understand. I stand corrected on that part. Thank goodness you understand, at least to some degree, what men have been through and why we have some reasoning to think the way we do.

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Registered: 12-20-2004
In reply to: jman75
Sun, 07-10-2005 - 1:32pm
been, My wife states that she would much more desire a 7" long penis with 6" girth than a 9" long penis with 4.5 " girth... Shes had both...Care to comment?
What you are not getting( Ive read every post) Is that there are many women who have had the longer lengths and are not impressed. I understand there are size queens out there...(good for them)But they are in the minority.
Look up the polls here....In every single poll girth wins over length hands down.. So you are singing to the wrong choir here... Length only REALLY matters to a small percentage of women and to a lot of insecure men.
Remember woman vary in depth as much as men vary in length....Same for their ability to handle width.
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Registered: 04-04-2005
In reply to: jman75
Sun, 07-10-2005 - 1:50pm

Ok Mac, Mutt and Been-there. I know you guys have some very good points here as to why size matters - and for alot of women it does on at least some level - consciously or subconsciously. And in today's environment of instant info availability 21st century women know what constitutes small, average or large and yes, some even check their new guy's equipment out with a ruler (I have experienced this myself). We also have a whole thread here on why some women prefer larger guys and they make some very valid points - feeling fuller, deep vaginal nerve stimulation, looks more erotic, etc. I've even seen one woman poster recently state here that "NO ONE would choose a guy who's been short changed." Pretty devistating stuff for us guys who are under the average size line I admit.

As a guy who's under 4 myself (and depending on the day it varies to how much below 4 I am) I have experienced it all with the women who dated me and the woman who married me too, so I come at this post with ALOT of personal experiences, feelings and perspectives. (There are not alot of us guys under 4 I've learned.) I am also a moderator on a small penis support site (Measurection.com) so I know just how important this issue is to guys like myself. Some refuse to date out of fear of rejection. Some have been put down by women to the point they feel bad about themselves in every aspect of their personhood and lives.

Does size matter then? Well of course it does to smaller guys like myself and to alot of the women whom they were with who made them feel less masculine because of their endowment status. Their stories are sad. I find it amazing how many guys at measurection actually feel "short changed" who are WAY above average. There are plenty of stories of women putting down guys as being "too small" who are 7 and above! So this got me thinking - what if this size thing is to some extent an ego trip for guys and a bragging point for women?

Let's take the ego point for guys. "I'm bigger so I'm more of a man." Is this why some of you guys here are tugging at your penis daily so it will be longer so you can FEEL like more of a man? And if your ego is stronger you will be a better lover? Maybe it has nothing to do with your bigger size? Maybe it's your bigger confidence that your partner is responding to. And for bragging rights for women - it was my wife told me about this. "My DH is really blessed in the size area. It's like saying my DH makes more money than yours or we live in a bigger house than yours. It's a status thing for alot of women." I asked her what she says when the conversation takes this turn - "Honestly? I say my DH is short there but that he is an excellent lover that has kept me happy in bed for years. And that there is ALOT more to being a man than just his penis size. I'm not embarassed about it - it's a part of who you are and that's fine. I've accepted it. It WAS a surprise when we first started dating as I'd never been with a guy your size - but once we started making love I was soon head over heals in love with you and I was fine with it."

There are numerous stories just like mine - acceptance of the one you love BECAUSE you love them. Love is a powerful force - I believe THE most powerful force in the world. Bigger than hate. Bigger than ego. Bigger than status. And dare I say it - even bigger than size.

Now if the hook-up is purely for sex, then we shorter guys are decidedly at a disadvantage for MOST women. (However, I must point out that I've met several women who wanted to make love to me BECAUSE I was smaller. They found it VERY sexy.) And remember - love is a great leveler of the playing field. Does this mean she wouldn't like you to be larger even though she's fallen in love with you? For some women, yes she would. BUT, for some women they love you who you are for EXACTLY what you are. Isn't it our imperfections that make us human?

Now being smaller meant that I had to learn how to be a "better than average" lover. And I studied hard - books, conversations with female friends and lots of on the job training. I was lucky to have met Susan who was a great coach when I was 17 who was VERY experienced in bed. She told me straight away that I was alot smaller than average (and by how much too) and that was OK if I knew how to use it. She was gorgeous and kind so I was an eager student. I learned how to romance the skirt off a woman, how to kiss her vulva and especially her clitoris, how to use my fingers both outside and inside of her. How to use my erection to stimulate her clitoris by having her mount me and ride me without penetration. I learned about positions that are best with a short penis. And finally how to enter her and control myself so I could stay inside for as long as both of us needed me to without climaxing. After learning all of this I could satisfy just about any woman as long as I could get her over the initial hurdle of seeing my size for the first time. Some could not do this and the game was over. This happened only 2 times. Did it hurt? Yes. Did I get over it? Hail yes! There were "plenty of fish in the sea" and I kept dating. I was soon dating some of the most gorgeous women in the school and my reputation as a great lover grew. This was a source of some humour for me in the locker room with the guys. "How can you be dating Piper with a dick like that?" My answer - "She obviously likes it or she'd be dating you, right?"

So yes, it is a disadvantage but no, it's by no means an insurmountable one. You can be a great lover at just about any size. (I have this discussion with guys at the opposite end of the scale all the time.) Am I going to start PE exercises. Hail no. I'm man enough just as I am. I run a very successful business with lots of folks working for me, have had a fine family a good marriage and a wonderful daughter and I am VERY politically active in my city. I tell guys who are smaller that it's OK. You have to accept it as a part of you but it does NOT define who you are as a man. To quote my wife Leslie again, "Being a man is WAY more than just penis size. That's something you guys have very little control over. It's genetic. It's like saying you are only handsome if your hair is red. It's not that big a deal if you're a good person, a loving husband, loyal and a good Dad. That's what makes you a big man NOT your penis."

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Registered: 07-05-2005
In reply to: jman75
Sun, 07-10-2005 - 1:56pm

Yep, what about the 9" guy that also has 6" girth?

Yes, girth is more important to a great many women (but not all, length is more important to about 1 in 6), but 'more important' is the catch. It doesn't mean length doesn't matter, just that it's not on the level with girth. Why give the 9" guy the thin girth and the 7" guy the thick girth to make a point? This is simliar to what greenteabag was doing by saying average with technique is better than big without technique, and not giving the big guy an even fair shake in the comparison. These uneven unfair comparisons are a dead giveaway that the need to do so is felt.

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Registered: 07-05-2005
In reply to: jman75
Sun, 07-10-2005 - 2:04pm
What has left me wonering about is why when a poster from the forum I belong to, a while back was feeling bad for those guys and once posted at your forum about our forum, but he got trashed. There are some horrible physically insecure stories and experiences at your site, but they don't seem to be willing to try and change it. Please explain this to me??

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