Why are facials degrading?

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Why are facials degrading?
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Sun, 08-06-2006 - 8:28pm
I have seen many posts that describe facials as degrading to a woman. Why is that? I've always asked a partner if I could cum on her body before I did it, and wouldn't do it without permission. What is it, though, that makes a facial particularly objectionable? I don't see where it's any more degrading than cumming in her mouth, or on her breasts, etc.

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Tue, 08-15-2006 - 10:49pm

He probably would have tried to tell her exactly what the guys thought of her; and how it will get around; tried to get her to leave; probably would have ragged on the guys; and when all else failed told them that he'd have no part of it and would have left.

Imagination is more important than knowledge." (Albert Einstein )
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Wed, 08-16-2006 - 1:02am
I think it does relate though. It explains why a man might pursue a woman sexually, to the point of rape even, if he is misinterpreting her reactions. If he believes that No means Yes, for instance, then that could explain a lot of assaults. Of course, there are men who just don't like women, too.
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Wed, 08-16-2006 - 1:06am

Oh, I absolutely believe in the innate differences of the sexes. And I absolutely believe in the "pack mentality" of males in this situation.

Remember the movie Jodie Foster did about being gang raped in a bar while several male patrons egged the rapists on or just watched and did nothing? It was based on a real crime. I'm sure that happens much more than we even know.

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Wed, 08-16-2006 - 1:09am
I've said this before, Rice, but I feel so sorry for you. You've had a pretty depressing sexual existance, haven't you?
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Wed, 08-16-2006 - 8:50am
Well.....we know how the guys always complain that they can't read our signals....how they go completely over their heads.... ;-)
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Wed, 08-16-2006 - 8:57am

"Oh, I absolutely believe in the innate differences of the sexes."

So you believe that men have a much "stronger" libido than women (not with respect to frequency, but with respect to level of arousal) or you believe that the sexes are innately different with respect to compassion, empathy or selfishness?




Edited 8/16/2006 8:59 am ET by rain_dancer_iam
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Wed, 08-16-2006 - 10:13am
No, I believe that testosterone affects how the brain develops and then functions. Men think differently than we do, so naturally, their perception of sex will be different than women's. The more testosterone a man has, the more it will affect his thinking and actions. I think the use of steroids has proven that theory to be true.
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Wed, 08-16-2006 - 10:43am

Yes, that's what I was getting at: That testosterone and its' effects on males (brain development and functionality) may be the cause for the differences. This is why I said that it (sex drive) may be so overpowering (for some men), that all "reason" or abiltity for "compassion" goes out the window. I remember reading about how women and men in prisons have high levels of testosterone; there is a definite link between high levels and criminal behavior.




Edited 8/16/2006 10:56 am ET by rain_dancer_iam
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Wed, 08-16-2006 - 12:05pm

Kat, although I know how frustrating Rice's "all women are asexual" rants can be...maybe he is on to something? What if there truly is a difference in the "type or degree" of arousal that most men experience as opposed to what women experience? We have heard that older men seem to "relax" and usually exhibit more "emotion" than a younger man (attributed to drops in testosterone levels)... What if, a woman's highest arousal, is equal to that of a man's lowest?

Just throwing some thoughts around...not agreeing with Rice, particularly (as they are coming from a highly sexual woman. ;-))




Edited 8/16/2006 12:06 pm ET by rain_dancer_iam
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Wed, 08-16-2006 - 6:20pm

Yes, but those differences begin in utero, before they even have a real libido.

I think living with males most of my life has only proven those differences to me. I certainly didn't start out believing that there are innate differences between the sexes. I used to attribute them to familial and societal conditioning.

No more. I'm convinced.

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