WTA; Bachelorette 3

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WTA; Bachelorette 3
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Tue, 02-22-2005 - 12:06pm

It's of my personal opinion Andrew agreed to do the show for free advertising for his winery; seems simple to me. Otherwise, what's the point, they broke up two years ago?

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/bachelor/page101.html

THE BACHELORETTE III 02/22/05
Q. What is the first thing that comes to mind about tonight's episode?
A. I like Andrew but cannot understand why he agreed to be on the MTA. I know most viewers felt sorry seeing him reacting to what was being shown on the screen, while Jen was with some of the men, but Andrew is an adult and was there voluntarily, therefore he asked for it as far as I am concerned. Still, I have great respect for Andrew and feel he behaved with dignity.
Q. We'll get to a couple of more questions regarding Andrew later, first I wish to ask you about some of the men beginning with Fabrice.
A. I believe Fabrice loved the attention he received during the show's airing but his personality is too simplistic and boring to make it in show business. His face expressions remind me of a young Maurice Chevalier, but some of his comments are pretty awkward, even if he was thinking his answers in French and instantly translating them into English, a pretty complicated feat, as anyone who knows English & French can attest to. These two languages have very little in common and the only way not to put your foot in your mouth is to learn to think in the same language you are speaking at that precise moment.
Q. The big question is: Do you believe he is gay?
A. How am I to know! That was a pretty insensitive and silly question to ask him anyway, since he was never going to admit his sexual inclination publicly. I feel all Chris did, with his questions and comments, was to embarrass Fabrice in front of all the viewers. It appeared like he was making him pay for rejecting Jen.
Q. I notice you said "inclination", not "preference".
A. I really do not wish to get into this topic but no one "chooses" to be gay. We Americans love the art of "phraseology", and are excellent playing these types of word games, but the physiological explanation as to why an individual is gay, or lesbian, is much more complicated than just saying it is a "choice of lifestyles".
Q. Ryan still appears to be hurt by Jen's comments regarding his family.
A. Ryan was also very dignified tonight. He was very measured in his response to Jen's Thailand comments. It is my opinion Jen had the right to feel Ryan's parents were, in fact, boring. Having said that, I am also of the opinion she should have had the decency, and common sense, to keep her opinions to herself once the camera began rolling. Her comments were tacky, at best, but also bordered on being insensitive and capricious. This is a prime example of how hurtful a person can be when they believe being 100 % honest all the time is supposed to be a virtue. What ever happened to being graceful?
Q. In your opinion, why was Jen absent last night?
A. I personally feel Jen did not want to “face the music”. I am of the opinion her apology and comments, on the recorded tape, sounded canned and insincere. Jen has a habit of turning on her “cute-like mannerisms and talk” whenever she wants to be liked. Problem is Jen does not realize it may work with some but not with everyone.
Q. Anyone else sticks out in your mind?
A. Wendell was pleasant, and Mike was his normal humorous self. I believe Stu was a victim of the editors, who had a field day turning most his comments into a Jekyll & Hyde portrayal. Stu appeared to be a good sport about everything, though.
Ryan would make, in my opinion, a pretty good Bachelor. He would make the series appear to be a little more sincere and closer to its reality TV image. I feel the viewers are tired of suffering through the Producer’s apparent lack of judgement when determining what actually constitutes an interesting series. I personally believe the ratings would increase dramatically if Ryan also had a group of nice everyday bachelorettes to choose from, much like Aaron had on his series. Of course all this is wishful thinking, I heard they may have chosen an aspiring actor as the next Bachelor………….
Q. Last minute prediction.
A. This Bachelorette series has left me very disappointed! It has been a soap opera more than a reality TV show. ABC has lost all vision of what these shows were supposed to be about; therefore it is difficult to determine what really went on. I would venture to say Jen appears to be smitten with Jerry. In reality anything is possible and she could be actually head over heels for JP.
Let's say Jen goes ahead and chooses Jerry, as I believe she will. He may enjoy being in her company, but I do not believe Jerry is beginning to fall in love with her. Jen appears to be more attracted to him than he is to her. I can not help feeling those two will end up like Meredith and Ian in a relatively short period of time, say a year or two, perhaps even sooner.
On the other hand, Jen and JP have little in common, and he is very impressed with himself and his success. Jen would probably need to fight for his attention, something I believe she is not fond of doing. JP appears to be mature in some areas, but definitely shows his scant age in others. It is my personal opinion both would gravitate away from each other in a relatively short period of time. As you can see, I do not give either relationship much long-term success.
Q. All right, let's get to a couple of questions about Andrew, but don't give me the runaround. Do you feel he is still in love with Jen?
A. In love, no, but I do believe he "loves" her. The first is what Andrew was feeling while B-3 was being filmed and he proposed to Jen. That particular feeling of being “in love” "faded away" some time ago, in my opinion, when Andrew realized the Jen he felt in love with was very different than the person she actually ended up being. I still believe it was Jen who made the first move towards ending the relationship, surprising Andy by not returning after one of her visits home to see her family and friends.
I believe the type of "love" Andrew now feels towards Jen is that of a good friend. He probably worries about her future well being and wishes Jen finds someone to be happy with. I do agree Andrew looked hurt, while watching Jen interacting with Jerry and JP, but it looked more to me like someone who does not agree with Jen’s choices. Besides, who wouldn't feel uncomfortable watching a tape of his ex-girlfriend making out with someone else? That's pretty tacky in my book, even if two years have passed since then.
Q. I am going to ask you something I am certain many wanted to ask you and never had the nerve to do so: do you now feel Andrew should have chosen Kirsten instead of Jen?
A. It is always unwise and a waste of time to judge events in hindsight. A relationship with Kirsten would have been very different than the one he had with Jen, but it would not necessarily have been of better quality. I believe Kirsten would have offered him more romantic passion and adventure, but their chemistry would have fizzled in a relatively short period of time. Having said that, there might have been one or two women he sent home on the first day who would perhaps have "clicked" with Andrew if he had spent more one on one time with them, but it is too late now to speculate about any of this.
Q. You are really fond of Andrew, aren’t you?
A. I know my words are going to upset some of my readers but Andrew is an exceptional individual who is only appreciated by the select few that are able to see beyond his quirky personality. Most may view him like a spoiled little rich boy, but I would venture to say there is more to Andrew than his "job" or big bank account. Personally, I feel he is an excellent son, brother, uncle and friend, even if he still needs to toughen up and mature a little more, but that is not a crime. Someday, in the future, he will also make a good husband and father.
Last night, Andrew again showed us he possesses something that cannot be purchased with all the money in the world: "class".

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Tue, 02-22-2005 - 1:26pm

Ahhhhhhh... I missed it last night. But then again, it sounds like I didn't really miss anything.

When I saw the previews for this episode, I too wondered why Andrew would go on. Your rationale sounds very plausible. I'm also thinking maybe he just wants the world to know that he's over Jen and he's available. But since I didn't watch, I'm speculating.

Either way, it had to be hard to watch, regardless of whether or not he still has feelings for her. To watch someone you once loved (and were engaged to) make out with a bunch of other guys while searching for her "new love" has to be really really hard.

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Tue, 02-22-2005 - 2:06pm

I guess I am in the same boat as the interviewee on this one. I like Andrew - I think he is a good guy for the most part. I think he seemed VERY nervous last night. His jokes were forced and not very funny - like they were scripted. He didn't really plug the winery too much other than mention it was the family business and that he was expected to travel a lot and that he explained to all the women that although it was selfish, that was his job and she'd have to fit into it rather than the other way around.

On that, while he might not still be in love with Jen, I think he cares for her a great deal and that seeing her on TV with these bozos that are not going to make her happy has got to be really tough for him. He knows her as well as just about anyone and I think he can see she is making the wrong choices. I thought it was interesting that he singled out Ryan and Ben as guys he wished had gone farther in the game. Both sweet, honest, down-to-earth guys that would be good for her.

I think it was pretty cowardly of Jen to not show up. I think she knew she'd get blasted for how she has come off and how she has treated some of the guys (specifically Ryan) and that she didn't want to deal with that. Again, another example of her selfish, all-about-me thinking. Her apology to him came off pretty scripted and insincere. She is not good at coming off naturally when reading "lines". I think Ryan handled himself with a lot of class while being straightforward about how much her comments hurt him and his family.

Fabrice is still an idiot and I think that the contempt that Chris seemed to have for him showed very clearly. I always take how the host seems to act toward someone AFTER the show very telling. Yes, the host knows that this jacka$$ makes great TV but if they don't like them as a person, it comes off after the show very clearly. Obviously Chris really disliked Fabrice and it seemed like most of the guys did too. Poor Stu - he did get a bad rap but he was little much!

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Tue, 02-22-2005 - 2:08pm

Yes, I agree. I think the look of sadness that people are referring to is probably because 1. It is hard to watch and ex fiancé (not just a GF) hook up with a bunch of guys but secondly because I know he feels she’s picking the wrong guys. They asked him which guys would make good husbands for her and he said his choice would be Ryan or Ben.

I agree with the author that Andrew has so much class; he really is not just a rich boy but a good guy. It’s unfortunate because of what he was born into people will automatically label someone that way whereas if you’re poor or from the school of hard knocks you get more credit for being a good guy.

Jen has no common sense. I think it’s a combination of being Andrew’s ex, dating Bill from the Apprentice, her plastic surgery (apparently there is speculation she had some work done) that changed her. They say once you get a taste of fame like that where people worship you – it can make one more self absorbed & not the same girl next door she used to be. I say dating is hard period w/out people televised. The gal he fell in love with on TV is different then the gal he had a relationship with, no doubt in my mind. I’m not saying she’s bad but I’m sure she needs the attention and in his family you can’t be that way. Plus she knew going in what his lifestyle entailed and as he said he may be a bit selfish but the woman that marries him will have to adapt to his lifestyle including heavy travel. Nothing worse then thinking you can change someone, you can’t. Any relationship there will be sacrifices but if you’re in love enough and truly ready for that commitment you’ll do it!

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Tue, 02-22-2005 - 2:14pm

One more comment; I think they scripted Stu as being the stalker (I don’t think he really is) and secondly he had a few quick wits last night; I was impressed.

Personally I like that question, Do you like creamy or crunchy peanut butter – that’s a cute way to get to know someones tastes but hey, I’m a mushy romantic, what do I know, smiles.

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Tue, 02-22-2005 - 2:29pm

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While I agree with the majority of what you wrote. Yes, Jen knew what she was getting into regarding Andrew's lifestyle and that you cannot change someone. But,there does come a point in a relationship, especially when you are discussing marriage, that priorities shift. Yes, family is important, yes his job is important- but he asked Jen to marry him, to create their own life and family together. At that point, they as a couple should have been a priority and I don't think Andrew's at a point in his life where he realizes that. From what I've seen and read, his job/family came first. While his loyalty to his job and family is admirable, his first loyalty should have been to the woman he was going to marry.

Just my 2 cents...

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Tue, 02-22-2005 - 2:41pm
One thing I also find interesting is that she is not going to answer the guy on the spot. There are two proposals and no immediate answer (except maybe a refusal of one). I think that means she says no to both. Pure speculation on my part, but why would they delay it? It doesn't make sense. I don't think it will make for romantic TV to wait until the After the Final Rose show - what is more romantic than the proposal spots they arrange on the show? Definitely not a soundstage with a screaming audience. I really think she dumps them both.

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Tue, 02-22-2005 - 4:39pm

At that point, they as a couple should have been a priority and I don't think Andrew's at a point in his life where he realizes that.

It takes two to tango; I agree. However she keeps talking about one of the main reasons they broke up is because she was home 30 days out of the 9 months they dated; that is how much they traveled. Perhaps she didn’t realize when he said he traveled it would be that much as I know I like my home time as much as I like to travel; hard life being on the road and living out of a suit case (even if it’s at 5 star hotels, LOL). He may very well not be ready yet; you’re absolutely right or he thought he wanted it. We’ve all been victims of getting caught up in the moment including myself!

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Wed, 02-23-2005 - 11:09pm

Maybe he was not ready because "she was not the one" just my opinion. I think when a man is ready it will be his priority. Of course his career is important because he has to make the money to support his family .

I also think Jen's personality was always this way. They say money/fame will only enhance a person's true personality. Meaning if you were always a nice person money/fame will make you more of a nice/generous person and if you always were somewhat mean and not very nice, money/fame will make you worse. So i think she probably was always that way and now it really shows. I thought she was quite rude towards Ryan and his family and that completely turned me off on her. I liked her in the first show,but i have now seen her true colors and don't really care for her . She just doesn't seem real to me.

And Sp I agree you cannot change someone. Often people go into r'ships thinking things will change or "he " will change. it's about acceptance and truly liking the person for who they are. If you think you will change them who are you actually falling in love with the potential of someone or the actual person?