Career opens my eyes!

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Wed, 06-25-2003 - 10:16am
I am surprisingly VERY optimistic.

I was archiving old computer files came across an odd one...it turned out to be a draft of salaries. I was flabbergasted. Not only do I make less than everyone else - folks just post-university (no exp) - made CONSIDERABLY more than I did. Yes, they have univ degrees and I don't. I do have lots of education thats been useful here tho (economics, computers, etc). And I was reassured that exp. would count as much as education. I was operating a 24hr/day warehouse by myself when I was 19...so experience I have. In fact, I had 3 other jobs on the table when I accepted...all paying way more. I figured this was a great place to do something I believed in and that was enough for me. But finding this out really bothers me. 1) I got a raise in Jan but have not seen any of it b/c they want to try to give EVERYONE a raise to make it fair. 2) I train all the new ppl (who are making more $ than me) 3) The consulting work I do pays not only for our project team but parts of other ppl's - ppl who never have the time to help me. In fact, I put in a couple a weeks "volunteer" time and have the time to help them. Before, I did this b/c I BELIEVE in our charity...

I can't leave right now b/c I know they would be in trouble w/o me. The organization I do consulting work for is 40% of the whole company's revenue. It would jeopardize the contract. My manager and coworker are both leaving in a few weeks and they have asked repeatedly in meetings what my intentions are. B/c if I leave, they will probably open the contract up for bidding...no, I could not do it on my own :)

Thats ok tho - b/c I want to be strategic about where I go next time. I am not just blindly devoting my hard work to a "good cause." I want to actually make living at it as well! In todays market that'll take a little planning and preparation. But I still get job offers so I know I have the skills to be successful (thats been my strategy all along - get the skills not necessarily the education).

I see a larger issue...SELF WORTH. Obviously, I was not valuing myself, my efforts and my time accordingly. So I am not getting compensated accordingly. The same might be said for my love life - but I won't go there now. Gotta work on one thing at a time...LOL...and somehow I am optimistic about the future. Even excited. Happy. Maybe I was meant to find the file to set a spark under me :)

Go.

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Wed, 06-25-2003 - 10:45am
I just want to add in my defense as far as raises for those who have more degrees - in my field, it has to do with the fact that I spent three extra years beyond college in school full time (I worked part time but even that was difficult) and tuition typically is astronomical - I graduated in 1994 with 30k in debt which was about one third of most of my classmates (I lived at home and worked for three years prior to grad school and saved money) - many law firms pay what they pay because they recognize that we've been out of the workforce for three years and have substantial debt. Absolutely - computer courses and the like can be very expensive - and companies "should" recognize that if the coursework is beneficial to the job but I think what I described is the mindset. Also, if you're talking about a profession with a license, like accounting, law, etc the firm can afford to bill me out at a premium rate because of the license and the degree - so I am a revenue center for them. So I don't think it has to do in any significant way with IQ or "smarts" when it comes to salary.
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Wed, 06-25-2003 - 11:05am
I also think extra degrees should be rewarded with higher salaries, but unfortunately that's not the case where I work. I have a Master's degree (which I'm still paying for!) and 7 years experience in the field I'm working in, but I see people coming in with less experience and only a Bachelor's degree who get paid more than me. That's the #1 reason I started looking for a new job a year ago and I have every intention of telling human resources when I finally get to leave here (I've been waiting on a security clearance since Feb for a govt job) that their salary practices are unfair and are chasing away the good, educated, experienced staff.
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Wed, 06-25-2003 - 11:41am
Oh certainly that happens but not when the degree includes a license - a CPA should make more than a bookkeeper and lawyers make more than paralegals - when I taught getting a grad degree would have increased my salary by maybe 2 thousand dollars. I also had wanted to point out that people often forget that school equals years of no income plus incurring debt, so sometimes if you average it out, your current salary is not much more than someone who has been in the workforce 7 years longer (in my case).
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Wed, 06-25-2003 - 11:48am
I'd say to keep in mind that in dealing with corporate workings....there are facts that might inspire feelings - that definitely shouldn't be acted on, or heeded as realistic and logical.

The people who went to a university and got a degree likely aren't any smarter, more capable, or more willing than you to do a specific job....but they are more "qualified" on paper - where it counts in the corporate world.

In corporations, there are rules, requirements, guidelines, and restrictions - it's just the way of it. I know, I have tons of experience in over 20 years of working including working for myself.....and none of that makes up for the fact that when a specification for a job says a university degree or university attendance...I don't make the cut.

Occasionally you can promote into a job that you couldn't be qualified to get off the street - with your experience, your continuous hard work for the company in lesser positions - but even then, whoever takes that chance on you has their position being carefully monitored to see if this "risk" is worth it to the company.

Not to say you shouldn't try to find something else, you should if that is your desire - but realize that you won't overcome the reality that you don't possess a university degree with "experience".

Generally, in most professions and corporations, it is possible that the supervisory type positions are filled with people who've got lots of experience, served their time with the company in lesser positions, and have proven capable of handling the job without disruption to productivity...despite a lack of technical qualifications that the corporation/business requires those applying off the street to meet. But rarely are those people the CEO's, or in upper-upper management.


Erin

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Wed, 06-25-2003 - 3:18pm
Where did I say IQ or smarts? I said exp - as in I have a network, contacts and ability to increase operational efficiency. Which is why they wanted me. My point is this - I fulfilled my end of the bargain and they did not. I am training staff who have NO work exp, only education...and the "student" is making more $ than me? Sorry...something wrong with that picture.

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Wed, 06-25-2003 - 5:19pm
I agree with you, Go. Degree or not, you are underappreciated at your job. I know you don't feel like you can leave because they'd be in deep trouble, but obviously THEY don't realize that. If you want to make a statement about how valuable you are, right now is the time to do it. Otherwise, they will continue to undervalue what you do.

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Wed, 06-25-2003 - 6:07pm
Ugh!!! And arrrgghh!!! I don't think I was responding directly to your post when I mentioned that - please, relax! We all are entitled to be fairly compensated; for me, in this economy, I thank G-d all the time that I am employed in a fairly stable job. But that's just me. I hope you get this issue resolved soon and get what you deserve.
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Wed, 06-25-2003 - 7:03pm
I think I might have redirected my fustration...And I was a little disappointed with the responses...but I put it out there, gotta take what comes back. I just feel like an idiot...off topic, I should be kicking myself over the opportunities I have passed up. I won some scholarship $ for debating & for a native writing contest in HS...but when you are homeless its hard to image going to school, LOL! In canada, we have 6 $50, 000 scholarships avail nationally for natives to go to law school and only 1 or 2 get used...b/c bachelor degrees aren't covered or we need the $ too much and have to work. I also got offered twice by two different men to pay my way thru school - if I ended up taking law. They felt it would be a "wise investment" and I felt I would owe them more than I wanted to :)

So I appreciate the efforts and sacrifices you have to go thru (obviously I have been unwilling to do it!)...I did not wish to distract from that or make anyone feel they were not deserving of what they have...

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Wed, 06-25-2003 - 11:38pm
You know, I forgot that you had been homeless and had I remembered I would have responded differently. I am sorry. Shoulda woulda coulda - if I did that to myself, well, I could have had my married motherhood suburban lifestyle three times so far - etc. but I can't let myself think like that - it keeps me back. Go, I am not at all surprised you excelled as you did in school - you are sharp as a whip and creative and street smart - what a combo!! I did forensics in college - extemporaneous speech - and loved it!! I was supposed to do debate in h.s. but the coach thought I had a lisp and wanted me to do speech therapy after school (I had a very mild one) but because I also had an eating disorder, the therapy would havce interefered with my then rigid eating schedule, so . . . . shoulda would coulda . . . I truly hope it works out for you very soon and that they see your value and pay up!!!
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Thu, 06-26-2003 - 10:55am
time to negotiate.

it's a good life lesson: people don't get paid what they're worth. they get paid what they can get!

bring the file with you to your next contract renewal, and demand a salary respective of your abilities... as well as being retroactively compensatory...

they aren't respecting you, so you shouldn't care so much about them anymore. let them go to hell...