Complaints In Non-Reality World
Find a Conversation
| Sun, 04-09-2006 - 11:35pm |
It's Sunday night and I have a night-time ritual that goes something like this: I wash my face and brush my teeth in time to watch Sex In The City while I cozy myself into bed. It comes on every night here in Chicago. I love it. So tonight, I am watching and the more I watch, the more I want to slap Carrie. In this episode, she and Aiden move in together. She has all the compliants any single gal would have when living with a new guy. I can relate. However for the first time, I am irritated because I am looking at Aiden, being so cute with such a great, caring personality and I find myself hating Carrie for dumping him. Does this make sense you might ask, that I am irritated with a fictional character? Probably not. But where is the Aiden Shaw in reality world? I just keep thinking if I could find a guy like him, I would never let him go!
Calie

Pages
Yes, the obvious line about how he got his name is what I set out with about the endless double meanings. Everything you say is true for you, but Carrie is a fictional character whose personna is by design.
The show is a definite cult-getter and there will be these kinds of discussions about it for the next 50 years.
Carie was not the only person. There were three others who eventually defined the relationship and its understanding. The premise of the show ended as Big being the man as long as the girls come first. In Frommian terms, she is perhaps a latent homosexual.
A woman devoted to her man, truly loves him, would gladly push their best gf aside because, after all, it is about the bond. If this is not so, then it is about the gf-gf bond. If the man is not the love object, he is not the man. He is the eventual ex. The sperm donor, the "I got my guy, I got the ring, I'm gonna have MY DAY" And when all the Bride Magazine stuff is done, maybe even a baby, then, it is the GFs who will decide his fate.
If he is not just a drone, he won't get kicked out of the hive, there will be a succession of GFs who get to wear the MY BEST GF crown throughout a solid marriage.
Now, let's write a weekly screenplay and see how we can bend this and tweak it and make it a farce. That's what the writers did.
Some disagree, some don't. Why? Because the show has double meanings about sexual relationships. Sounds interesting? Let's watch the next episode.
It is truly a non-reality world. You have said it again and again. The shoe doesn't fit you, but you argue it doesn't fit Carrie and friends. The non-reality is that Carrie is not a lesbian, she is a latent homosexual. A fictional character who next week will be a bi-female editor of a sex column, but after the commercial, a hetero ...
Well you get the picture. But one of the beggest THEMES of the show is the underlying lesbian content, bi-sexuality and "community exclusive of men" genre we have all come to recognize as militant feminist lesbian values. It is just a saltshake of it, dosen't overwhelm the stew, but it is there and most people just don't see the subliminal content that goes directly to their brains.
Is that a bad thing? I don't know. It is subliminal, and you might fantasize and not understand why. As for me, I don't like something being slippen in my drinks. Do you. The media is just another form of martini!
Well, I am fine with all of that and the previous post, only to re-iterate, these are fictional characters in a farce. We cannot realistically say what "Carrie" thought, who she really is, and so forth. That is wholly up to the writers. If no one wants to agree with me that they were playing with us, or playing us, or just trying to make us look at their sponsor's ads, OK, I am fine with that.
As for the theme issue, themes are like strains of a harmony, each ear hears the same refrain but sometimes in a different chord. It is the nature of harmonics. Perhaps instead of agreeing to disagree, we should all agree we saw the same episodes and got different messages.
Either it was because we were meant to, wanted to, both, or we got separate messages because there was supposed to be that kind of acting and screenplay. Given the size of the audience played to, it was genius. We would all agree to that, yes?
Yes, you are right, of course, and you made my point for me.
The femnazi or militant lesbian party line is exactly that.
Women regard the world wrongfully as a "man's world" and they strive to exist (survive) without men. But for the purposes of vaginal fullness, there have to be some men around and Aiden was the wuss in the whole thing. Even the guy with one testicle was more macho because he had not yet gotten in contact with his sensitive side (anima) for you Jung people (his female side for you Steinemites).
Aiden is meant to be the nice guy who loses in the end. That is the quintessential American woman dilemma. She will shaft the nice guy everytime some biker moves in next door. She will say she wants to develop herself so she can survive without men, and find an "Aiden" for her fairy tale notion, and like "Carrie" she will leave him every time the biker guy calls. Why? Hetero women don't do that. I am told by non-hetero woman that it is truly indicative of a woman who identifies her love object as a woman. What they mean is that who you have sex with doesn't count. A guy who loves men is gay whether is is a practicing gay or not. I guess that is the point they make about these kind of women.
It truly is the ultimae denial. "I don't have a deflected sex object (Fromm), because deep down inside I want my Aiden."
That is the reality world when you accept this:
"Yes, it was exagerated, but it is the reality of the modern woman. We have problems, we're sexual, we're powerful, we can play and work in the "man's world", we can own our own homes and survive without men. This is what we're all about and this TV series did a great job showing that to the world. But in the end, we just want our Aiden or Mr. Big for the fairy tale ending."
To even suggest the reason straight women choose the "bad boy" over the nice guy is because she is truly gay???? Have you ever thought they choose the "bad boy" over a nice guy because they're looking for a little excitement in their lives because it is lacking?? Most therapists would say women choose these men because they want more excitement in their own lives or because they have low self-esteem.... Not because Jung once termed the phrase anima and animas. And anyone who knows Jung's work knows that this has NOTHING to do with actual sexuality, but more the female and male characteristics we all have within our personalities. Meaning they're symbolic sex characteristics to our own personalities that we all have, which has nothing to do with actual sexual orientation. Talking psycho-babble might help your case in your eyes, but you have to remember these are only theories derived over a hundred years ago when Psychology was a new science. If we really wanted to believe them, then we would also assume that the Oedipus and Electra Complexes exist, too. Which means as a two year old, you were secretly in love with your mother and you wanted to do anything you could to get rid of your dad? Come on!!!!
You have a lot of suggested theories from your lesbian friends, but have you ever thought to just listen to the straight woman??? Perhaps maybe you should........
I think you have many interesting theories that are based around the lesbian woman and you are tying too hard to find these characteristics in the straight woman as well. Maybe it’s because you really don’t know the straight woman all that well.
With this being said, I am done debating this topic. It’s a dead horse.
Perhaps you hit the nail on the head, it is feedback from a lot of females
who are lesbians, or claim to be hetero but are always with these women when I see them and when I am with a straight woman they do tend to crowd us and distract us both from each other.
As a matter of fact, I can't think of any of the straight women I know who really got into the show at all. But I have been involved with a number of bi-women, and the two I called on this agree with me and say they used to watch the show just to see if they could pick up on the symbolism. They say the tip off as far as Carrie is concerned is that her second best gal pals are gay guys. Have no idea about it, but you are right, I am taking their psychological interpretations for face value as they all studied it as majors, or minors, or graduate school.
One of them who I absolutely "hate" in the Archie Bunker kind of way, I always introduce her as a phrenologist. She is a psychologist and never seems to catch on, or is doing a very good job of ignoring it. But she never corrects me either. So, she is either not a psychologist but claims to be, or one who doesn't know about phrenology, but certainly should.
Psycobabble(?) yeah, I am guilty. I trust women a lot, as I usually consider them smarter than I am. Just another sucker for a pretty face. I spend too much time waiting for a 2-fer which why I tend to allow myself so much social time with women who are or tend to be sexually interested in other women, especially when they see a woman with me on a date. Then they always show a lot of interest in her.
You don't see anywhere that I say your orientation is anyhting at all. I presume from what you said that you are not. And you have stated that several times. Carrie is a fictional character and she changes from episode to episode. You are not Carrie, and I do not think I said you are. You are a real person who has identified with what you think her character represents. I have pointed out that to some she represents a latent homosexual.
You are looking for Aiden. Fine. As a viewer I was left to decide on one of the gay guys, or one of the star female characters or the occasional guest personality. As for me, I decided I would avoid a woman who reminded me of one of them.
As one hetero to another, my preferred female types dress like them but that is where it stops. As for the male leads, I could not identify with any of them. I have friends like them.
Please consider that I do not in any way say or think you are anything more or less than you say yourself to be. You seem to want to argue the interpretation of your identy characters if people don't interpret them the way you interpret yourself. That's sad. You are real and infinitely better than any artificial creation. You are a special creation of nature. And so why are you settling for Aiden? He's a wuss!
Pages