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Do you prefer men to think you are:-
| Fri, 06-16-2006 - 10:12am |
Do you prefer men to think you are:-
- Intelligent
- Sexy
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| Fri, 06-16-2006 - 10:12am |
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I am not quite sure I understand the analogy, but I personally don't necessarily want a tall man, I don't care at all how tall he is (although I am tall myself). The same about intelligence--I have had a couple of nice bf-s over the years who barely have high school education, but have been very nice and good people, open and curious about life, willing to learn... I think that is much more important than a man having a PhD but being a cold and inflexible person otherwise.
Let's add a "most" to that statement, and it will be true.
I agree with you, Ruby.
And you have just posted your definition of intelligence.
And including that you are a member of mensa in your profile would impact me little, as I would look for your intelligence to show itself through our interaction/conversation. Again, I don't need the external validation of my intelligence.
It may be necessary to use a word other than intelligent when describing desirable characteristics.
I think Hal is definitely talking about intelligent in the textbook definition meaning of the word. A characteristic which can be objectively measured.
I know when I am looking for intelligence in a man, it means he is interested in learning, is willing to look honestly at himself, he knows what he believes and why he believes it, he can effectivly communicate with body language, written and orally, he uses words correctly at higher than an 8th grade level of understanding and he can think for himself.
Obviously, two very different criteria to measure intelligence.
And I don't think Hal is necessarily looking for a high iq woman online. I do believe he likes to instigate these thought-provoking posts! ;)
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This is because like many people you are confusing intelligence with education. Besides, being open, curious about life and willing to learn does not mean intelligent. If you were searching online for someone with these qualities why would you use "intelligent" instead of "open and curious about life, willing to learn"?
The analogy was intended to highlight that everyone wants a "good" person but they also want them to be a certain height, age etc..
Shy,
To be a mensa member you need an IQ score in the top 2% (98th percentile) of the population. The reason they use percentiles is because the IQ scores to achieve this vary from test to test.
Cattell III B - 148
Culture Fair - 132
Ravens Advanced Matrices - 135
Ravens Standard Matrices - 131
Wechsler Scales - 132
>Therefore, by your definition of "highly intelligent"
>(a high IQ score), a highly intelligent person would
>not connect with most of the rest of the world.
I don't think I connect with many people I meet and for the longest time I thought I was abnormal. I didn't excel at school and I'm not the most articulate person either. I find it difficult to interact with the average person (usually men) because they want to talk about things that generally don't interest me at all like cars, sport, motorbikes, how much they can drink, how many women they have slept with, etc. I only expored my "intelligence" a few years ago and it all started to make sense.
>That's exactly why I'd rather find someone who is intelligent,
>but I don't so much care about an IQ score. I know where those
>scores come from and they tell me nothing about the kind of person
>someone is.
Yes, but this is exactly my point. Specifying age and height doesn't tell you what kind of person someone is either. I never said that intelligent people are good people. I'm saying it bothers me when people and specifically women online use "intelligent" arbitrarily. Why use the word the word "intelligent" when you mean "good social skills, educated, curious about life" etc? You are normally given ample room in a profile to write this.
>Intelligence can be a turn off to someone who doesn't
>have that "number" that we use to define it.
Exactly my point. I'm glad you see it from my perspective. When most people specify age they use Earth years. Imagine if every time you went on a date the men were around twice the age you specified because they were using Mars years instead. What if most men decided that “tall” means above 5’?
Ruby,
>IQ scores dont tell you much at all.
They tell plenty to people who actually understand what they measure. I'm not an expert on IQ tests or statistics but even a basic understanding will help.
IQ tests don’t measure absolute intelligence and this is the common misconception. They generally describes a score on a test that rates the subject's cognitive ability as *compared* to the general population. A score on a test means nothing and cannot be given an IQ rating unless that same test is given to a good cross section of the general population. That way a comparison can be made.
>They are generally standardised on the average middle class white male
> which excludes a whole boatload of people from different ethnic, cultural
>and socio-economic statuses.
How wide is your dating pool? I can’t comment on the sample used for standardising a test because I don’t know.
> What is the difference between a person with an IQ of 110 vs 100?
They are within the average range, which I believe is between 90-110
>The difference between 60 and 100 or 100 vs 150?
>Now you're talking about seeing differences.
>That can tell you if a person needs special ed,
>regular courses or gifted courses
Err…Didn’t you say just a few sentences ago that “IQ scores don’t tell you much at all.”? Now you say they can identify the difference between regular and gifted? Then you end it by saying “Otherwise...that score is useless”.
You have basically explained EXACTLY why IQ scores are meaningful--They COMPARE people using a standardised scale, not an arbitrary one!
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