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Have we "ruined things" for men?
| Tue, 08-08-2006 - 11:27am |
I was reading Shy's response to one of rebainmi's posts about men being big babies, scared of rejection, even when they know a woman will say yes.

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Hi fiesty,
Sure..., I'll agree to disagree. But if I remember correctly aren't you from the Land Down Under?
A man's man there is certainly not atypical of a man's man here in the Good Old USA. Before I wrote that response I asked 3 guys around the office (randomly picked) if this was a pussified male or not..., score 3 for 3, all agreed, the man was no steed.
Why don't you poll 3 guys at random and ask them if this was a real man or a wimp and let us know what they think down there.
Adrastos
Adrastos,
You are correct that I come from Australia but I don't want to believe that American men are as pathetic as the ones described here on ivillage. Surely, this cannot be representative of American men and if it is, you need to hang your head in shame. I don't need to poll anyone and ask them what their opinion is. The majority vote doesn't sway me one way or the other and I don't need my opinion validated by others to know that I am right. Basically, you can run back and tell your posse and your survey group that I couldn't care less what they thought. The men that I dated are not the norm, they are not average and they are a step above the rest.
Feisty
Like I said earlier in the thread...,
..., Princess attitudes.
Adrastos
I wonder what makes it "wrong" for married/attached guys to flirt with women? Is that so bad? Women flirt and that all it is, just flirting and no expectations to go any further. Yah it's an ego boost but so what? You can call it "hitting on" or "flirting" ... one connotates a different intent but the actions/behavior would be the same wouldn't it?
Mark
feisty,
i had no idea i referring to one of your posts, and i am upset you used mine to get into an argument and to imply that i or all of us in america have never experienced a kind or nurturing man.
you said i was quoting a stereotype of men - that was my intent. i simply wondered if perhaps we are trying to have our cake and eat it too. you, clearly, have found a way to do so. that's wonderful.
i also certainly didn't mean to give adastros more ammo to fire with, but i do agree with him that men and women ought to find a middle ground of understanding. i don't think you two are working very hard at it, though!
Then they feel mislead, hurt and angry when they learn otherwise.
Let's go back to why Stacey started this thread:
Lithenblithe,
I suggest that you read posts properly before you quote them out of context. Liyahberry first mentioned that she likes a macho man and I agreed with her. Then you said that macho men have certain qualities which I disagreed with and said that hadn't been my experience.
When I write my posts, I am writing it on behalf of all women on the board. At times, I need to clarify and say that I am from Australia as the dating process is different there. Adastros then said that men in America were different from the men I described. I'm more than willing to give American men the benefit of the doubt and I said that I don't think they are as pathetic as everyone makes them sound on the ivillage boards. Women need to take responsibility for their actions. If men are a certain way, then what have women done or not done to make them this way?
I'm not interested in meeting in the middle with Adastros. I said to him that we need to agree to disagree. I'm not the type of person to compromise my values, principles and morals to find a middle ground. I'm 32 years old and his opinions are as defined as mine are. I'm not interested in changing the world, hitting my head against a brick wall or beating a dead horse. You need to find people who are compatible with you and share your way of thinking, keep your mind open but your doors closed to people who are going to bring you down.
Feisty
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