OK...Now *I'm* Curious!!!!

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Wed, 03-09-2005 - 5:33pm

I would like to submit the following:

"Human males are identical to every other male of every animal species on the planet. They are strongly, even singularly, driven by hormones and the urge to procreate. It is obvious that nature indented it this way.

Given this, what is so hard to accept about this? Is it that humans are supposed to be above this kind of force?

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Registered: 10-18-2003
Wed, 03-09-2005 - 6:09pm

Smoking.


I will never understand smoking.....or those who start smoking in this day, knowing what we know. (off topic, I know)


It's incredibly expensive and it is almost garenteed to suffer horribly in the future for it.

Kim

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Wed, 03-09-2005 - 6:33pm

Ok, question. Is that YOUR quote, or did you get it from some publication somewhere?


That being asked, I don't believe it. I believe that being human is what sets us apart from being "animalistic" in our behaviors. While we have basic "drives" we also have one characteristic that other living beings do not. Logic. The ability to use logic to curb "instincts" to appropriate behaviors.


I am a believer in creation, and I do believe that animals and plant life and all other beauty around us is created for our use and enjoyment (NOT our abuse!) and that we are caretakers. I believe we are several "cuts above" in our make up. So, I don't believe that human males are identical to every other male of other species, just like I don't believe females are the same.


I am not dowdy and boring. I don't have bland coloring and keep myself submissive. I AM a pursuer at times. I do not exist strictly to procreate. And I am not willing to be available to any male of my species who is ready to pounce when I am "in heat" LOL


Just my two cents. ;) VERY intersting conversation though.

Becky

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Wed, 03-09-2005 - 9:40pm

Becky,

LOL about the "pounce when I'm in heat" comment!

Alison

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Thu, 03-10-2005 - 12:15am

"I'm not saying we don't WANT to have sex as often as every other animal, and indiscriminately"

I disagree that other animals have sex indisdriminately. Almost all mammals exercise procreation in some sort of hierarchy. And a limited times. In fact, it is only humans that have a recreational side to sex. All other animals are limited to procreational purposes.

So if anything, humans are more sexually driven than other animals on this planet.

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Thu, 03-10-2005 - 3:52am

Hmmmmm, I didn't know we were arguing about anything? I was just having a bit of fun, not really looking into opening my encylopedia and acting like a brain. As you stated, it is what "you think", so I assume this is all just "your opinion" and not factual?

"Maybe I should cloud myself with some facts?" Yeah know, I might be wrong here, but to me reading that, to be honest, is just plain rude. I would also like to state, that though my mind may be clouded with different things, I am well read. I am not the all knowing, but I am intelligent. But of course your the master of anthropology, so I won't argue with you. Our culture as Americans taught to be monogamous? Yes, but in other countries, your sooooo wrong. So are we talking Globally or just North America? But you know, here's something that I was reading, funny enough, on a Christian Site, which I often find very enlighting and honest. Reading this, I had to snicker a bit at the last sentence, that the church itself admits : The best kept secret...

That is all I have to say on this topic and definitely do not feel like making it suddenly into an arguement. Happy reading...........

Few Cultures Monogamous
"In the West, we assume the 'natural condition' is monogamy, with significant investment in offspring by the husband/father. But a worldwide sample of over 1,500 human cultures strongly argues that the vast majority either encourage or at least tolerate polygyny - several women married to a single man." (Omni Magazine 9/93) In many cultures, women would be furious if a law were passed that decreed they could not become the second, third, or sixth wife of a wealthy, high-status male when the alternative was a monogamous union with a poor, low-status male. High-status males almost always have numerous wives and lowest status the fewest. Clearly, culture makes a huge difference in perspective on marriage and monogamy.

Our society seems to think love is sole possession of someone. Yet, studies show that 70% of all marriages involve " cheating." The typical marriage attitude is " You're mine," and " Boy, are you in trouble if you so much as look at someone else." This, of course, is a questionable definition of love and ignores the basic human fact that humans are designed to enjoy sexual variety. See Time Magazine " Infidelity - It may be in our genes" , 8/15/94 issue, for extensive study showing how more than one sexual partner is historically more natural than monogamy. This is perhaps the biggest (unkept?) secret in our culture and within the church.

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As for urine................

"In February 1996 the First World Conference on Urine Therapy took place in India (in May 1999 the second world conference took place in Germany).

The fact that a number of allopathic doctors also visited these conferences shows that this remarkable and sometimes despised therapy, which for a long time was almost forgotten, is coming back to the forefront. And rightly so.

Urine therapy is very effective, and it is always available and quite inexpensive, to say the least, which is absolutely wonderful in a world which sees itself confronted with increasing health- as well as financial problems.

If you haven't done it yet, you might be convinced, after reading this article
What is urine therapy? How does it work?

Urine therapy means using (your own) urine externally or internally as a way to promote or maintain your health.

The first question that probably comes to mind is whether urine is not a toxic substance and how a toxic waste product could ever be of any benefit for your health.

Well, urine is NOT a toxic waste product and this has been scientifically proven.

95% of urine is water, 2.5% consists of urea and the remaining 2.5% is a mixture of minerals, salt, hormones and enzymes. Toxic substances are being removed from the body through the liver and intestines, through the skin and through the outbreath.

The main function of the kidneys is to keep the composition of the blood in optimal balance. When there is to much water, the kidneys will remove it. But that doesn't make water into a toxic waste product.

Only the substance urea can be poisonous when present in very large amounts in the blood. However, this is irrelevant in the practice of drinking urine, as urine is not immediately put back in the bloodstream. In the small amounts urea gets back into the body, it is purifying, clears up excess mucus and has a number of specific, very useful effects. Moreover, it has a wonderful healing and tonifying effect when applied to the skin.

You can find urea in many skin products as one of the main components- specifically in many woman cosmetics.

Furthermore, urine is entirely sterile after secretion and has an antiseptic effect. We are talking here about urine from the point of view of somebody who follows a reasonably healthy diet, and who does not use chemical drugs or allopathic medicines. Urine therapy is a method based upon the principle of 'natural cycles'.

As long as we do not interfere chemically with the body's natural cycle, the body produces urine which is perfectly suitable for re-cycling. If you ingest a great deal of chemical substances - and these days all kinds of processed food contain chemicals - part of this will end up in the urine, in which case the composition of the urine changes. Normally, however, urine is a healthy substance which contains healthy, harmless and nourishing components.

Some natural cycles take place more quickly than others, but the cycle in general is the foundation of all life. If we let nature run her course, there will be no waste, and a disturbed equilibrium will always come back into balance. Just as we are capable of disturbing a natural equilibrium, we can also do our part in helping nature recover her balance. In order to support such a recovering of balance, we are equipped with a wonderful, natural 'house pharmacy': our own urine provides us with a swift and safe method for using the powers of the natural cycle.

What exactly are the effects of urine therapy?

Briefly, if urine is ingested and/or rubbed into the skin, it purifies blood and tissues, provides useful nutrients and sends the body a signal about what is in or out of balance. This last effect is called (oral) auto-immunization. This brings us to a last important feature of urine. Urine itself is, as said, not a toxic waste product. It does contain however minute particles connected with possible disease processes in the body. These minute particles are mainly antibodies, which upon re-ingesting can help the body to react on specific pathological situations.

Urine is anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, and anti-viral. Urine therapy has proven helpful in a great number of various diseases, ranging from a simple cold to being used in cases of AIDS, cancer, fatigue, anemia, all sorts of urinary diseases, for weight-loss, candida, diabetes, digestive problems, jaundice, etc. It is medically-proven against polio, rabies, and tuberculosis. The list of diseases for which it is effective is very long, and around 175 known diseases are said to respond to this kind of therapy. Urine therapy is truly a "panacea" (i.e., a "cure-all" or "universal remedy").

Urine therapy in the East: therapy or way of living?

Urine therapy has been practiced for thousands of years and has merely fallen a bit into obscurity in the last century.

However much urine therapy may seem to be unorthodox and perhaps revolutionary, it does not introduce anything new or original. It has been known throughout the centuries both in the West and in the East. Especially within yoga and tantra tradition the use of urine has been kept alive. It served partially as a real 'therapy', a method to cleanse the physical body of impurities, but also as a way to further spiritual growth.

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Thu, 03-10-2005 - 10:33am
I just cannot believe we are discussing the practice of drinking urine on Single Mothers and Dating. What a group we have... LOL
Becky

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Thu, 03-10-2005 - 10:34am

>>>On another side of the coin, I think it's wrong for a woman (or man) to use a lack of sex drive as an excuse to roll over every night, ignoring their partner...THEN be appalled when their spouse or SO cheats on them...or finds another way of satisfying their needs.<<<

Interesting comment. My ex-h was not surprised that after years of ignoring my needs I had an affair (it was wrong and I do regret it, I'm just saying he wasn't surprised). What surprised, shocked and hurt him was that I wanted a DIVORCE because of it.

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Thu, 03-10-2005 - 10:35am
Not just discussing, seriously debating the *health benefits* of urine drinking! LOL!

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Thu, 03-10-2005 - 10:39am

So...does this mean you DO consider it a health benefit and you might actually try it? ROTFLMAO!!!!


At least we "Friends" fans do know that urine on a jelly fish injury removes the "sting".

Becky

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Thu, 03-10-2005 - 10:39am

I don't think male (or female) humans are so driven to procreate. I think we are driven to have sex, which often (or is designed to) have the effect of procreation.

I also don't think that the penis is the only thing that drives men's decisions/choices. I didn't get that from either of your posts about it. I think what you are saying is that men THINK about it a lot, and it's a main factor in many of their decisions. Men can think about their penis constantly, and still find time to enjoy art, read a book or go to a concert. In fact, *I* tend to think about penises a lot and I still manage to have a career and a busy, fulfilling life.




Edited 3/10/2005 10:40 am ET ET by firstamendment

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