Withouth a Relgious debate ....

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Withouth a Relgious debate ....
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Tue, 04-22-2008 - 3:28pm

Can you guys tell me how you would feel is THIS was the reading your 8 yr old daughter was supposed to read during her 1st Holy Communion???

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Tue, 04-22-2008 - 9:55pm
Oh yeah, of course i would! lol

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Tue, 04-22-2008 - 11:56pm

Didn't read the other posts yet. I'm an agnostic, just as a preface.

I don't particularly disagree with the vows, if that's what you believe.

I admit to being very confused by Christians who pick and choose what they think is God's Word and what they think in a mistranslation or just "historical" in the same text.

I'm really, REALLY, not trying to start a debate here. I just think if you expect your daughter to follow the same tenets of faith/church as you, and assume the same rewards (eternal life in heaven) then she should probably say whatever follows those guidelines determined by the person you put in charge of that education.

If you aren't comfortable with it, then you aren't, and you might consider a church/pastor that is more aligned with your beliefs.

Bottom line, if you think your child is saying vows that you disagree with, and are not in line with what you are teaching them, you should definitely stop it.

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Wed, 04-23-2008 - 12:54am

It's my understanding that we're not talking about a vow, it's just

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Wed, 04-23-2008 - 9:23am
I agree with you completely on that point Soonee. Even though I wouldnt let DS read that scripture ( to me it is just too negative and harsh and I think he might giggle actually which would be SO NOT GOOD) I think your point is very accurate. I grew up in churches. The church was my babysitter ( OMG that should be the title of my autobiography) because I went with them everywhere. My parents were both church musicians and worked in separate churches and not always the same one so we moved from church to church to accompany them to services and we saw many different churches and groups of people and beliefs that way.
It was interesting but the thing it left with me the most is the fact for the most part the congregations believed things in the larger picture and used scripture as a starting point ( or sometimes a validating ending point) but everyone was allowed to put their personal spin on things. It was also IMO very much about a sense of community, a support system, a surrogate family for some people to come to church each Sunday. I saw people in pain or in rough periods of their life at church each Sunday to feel cushioned and accepted and they seemed to see the sanctuary as exactly that, a sanctuary - not taking the scriptures literally at all, but just soaking up the community of the room. Of course they could get this feeling elsewhere without the religious component but I always found people seeking sanctuary in a sanctuary to be rather fitting.
My old pastor from the church my father now works in ( Presbyterian) was always someone I respected because he ALWAYS brought current events into his sermons and pulled scripture to help us deal and cope with whatever was going on in the world and our part in it. It felt like you could avoid the paper and the news all week if you chose to but on Sunday you were going to get an earful to put your own existence in perspective which I think is very healthy for most of us. Humbling but good!
I should say also that after years of church and living with nuns in Paris until I was 18, I am now a bit of a non church goer. SYB is struggling with his faith with everything he has been through. So we work on Sundays and have kept the subject open for further examination when we are both ready.
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Wed, 04-23-2008 - 9:56am

(Actually, I wouldn't let her read it, either.

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Wed, 04-23-2008 - 10:28am

FWIW, that is a MUCH better version, IMO.

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Wed, 04-23-2008 - 11:29am

You mean with the nuns?!!lol
Well, the deal was I wanted to go live on my own at 15 to enter into the conservatory there under my dream teacher for solo work and he had accepted me and was going to train me for the competition. My parents were wild eyed and concerned until my Mom pulled a rabbit out of her hat and found a lodging that was run by nuns for foreign underage girls studying music in Paris. Funny what single moms can accomplish when put to the test - she really out did herself on that one. I accepted the deal readily because I was willing to give up boys and nightlife ( I didnt have much of that in the US anyhow, I was in love with my violin) in exchange for living there and getting the education I wanted. I actually enjoyed living with the nuns and the other girls at first because I realized how alone I would have been otherwise.
I hope I can find a church like my old one too sometime soon. It is definitely a possibility but I am spoiled after him and it might take a while!! I think it would be good for SYB and DS too...

I think the second reading is MUCH better btw - I hope there is a chance of switching to that one.
I really meant what I said that my DS would giggle during the other one. He is just too sunny a kid to be reading that without having it hit his little funny bone.

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Thu, 04-24-2008 - 6:52am
I SO agree -- how can someone present their child for first communion and make this big deal about the READING? How can a Catholic,
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Thu, 04-24-2008 - 8:19am
There are lots and lots of lapsed catholics ( and IMO even not so lapsed Catholics)that might forget where we are in the liturgical calendar and especially if they are in the middle of a custody dispute/court battle. I grew up in churches as I posted before, one after the other ( yes, two were Catholic since my mother was Catholic), and many of the people in the congregations had no idea about the liturgical calendar because they viewed church more as a community and an opportunity to embrace their spiritual side. They honestly seemed surprised every year at the liturgical calendar and my whole family knew about it because the music had to reflect it at every service so this struck us as just par for the course after a while when they looked surprised. Not everyone has the same relationship with their church as you might. And IMO that is their right.
Aside from that, it is becoming a bit obvious that you lack empathy for the poster in any given situation. I think we should all search ourselves for empathy before posting. If you cant find any, maybe posting doesnt serve the right purpose? You can post your opinion without being disparaging so I have to wonder -how is that everyone else has managed to state their opinions disagree or agree with the poster and none of them except you ever makes it seem like they seriously dislike her? I am sure you will deny that you have any specific dislike for her but you need to tone it down a bit IMO. The fact that I read the negativity ( not the opinion, but the negativity) looked up saw your name and just sighed because I recognized your name from similar posts before - it's just getting old.
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Thu, 04-24-2008 - 10:14am

That's not true at all -- OP will tell you that I read her outline of points to make before one custody hearing and offered very helpful suggestions because, as I told her, I wanted her to win and thought she should win.

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