Strip clubs customer rights???

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-30-2004
Strip clubs customer rights???
7
Sun, 06-06-2004 - 10:31pm
In Kennedale, TX there is a pastor of a local church, Jim Norwood, who's lead a new crusade. Him and a group of church members have went to local strip clubs and other adult entertainment venues and taken pictures of the customers' cars. Then they look up that customer's name and address online on the license plate records, which are public in TX. Then they mail a postcard to the customer with a picture of their car outside the adult venue and it reads, "Observed you in the neighborhood. Didn't know if you were aware there is a church in the area". What are your thoughts on this issue? Do you think this is an invasion of privacy or do you think this is what it takes to get the strip clubs out of our neighborhoods??

Don't forget to tell us if your on the male or female side on this debate.


Check out my photos!!!
Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 01-30-2004
Sun, 06-06-2004 - 10:39pm
This one is for the girls.

I'm not a big fan of strip clubs...and I'll be the first to admit it. But I think this is an invasion of privacy. I don't feel that it's anybody's business who is at what venue...be it a strip club or a local theater. I think this church has crossed the line by taking these pictures and looking up their info online then mailing these postcards. This could be wrecking families if these customers are going without their spouses knowing (which I think is wrong to go but some people feel the need to go and that's their own business) and then the spouse finds the postcard. Its kind of hard for them to deny it when they have the photographic evidence. I don't think this is a good way to get people to go to church....if anything it's probably keeping those people away from that church.....and I doubt its keeping many of these customers away from the clubs for vary long either.


Check out my photos!!!
Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 01-21-2004
Mon, 06-07-2004 - 11:01pm
>Him and a group of church members have went to local strip clubs and other adult entertainment venues and taken pictures of the customers' cars. Then they look up that customer's name and address online on the license plate records, which are public in TX. Then they mail a postcard to the customer

I would bet anything, that this pastor and these church members do things ALL the time that they don't want other people to know about. And, I do feel its an invasion of privacy. Its almost like stalking.

There are worse things going on in our city than strip clubs, but for some reason, strip clubs are targeted all the time. I'm not sure why.

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-30-2004
Mon, 06-07-2004 - 11:16pm
It's a church so I'm sure it's being targeted for indecency...but I'd be more concerned about drugs and murders then the adult entertainment industry.


Check out my photos!!!
Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 06-08-2004 - 2:20pm
I'd *far* rather have a strip club in my neighborhood than a church with a pastor who would condone, encourage, or spearhead the kind of activity you describe. As far as I'm concerned, what this church is doing is an invasion of privacy that more than just borders stalking. They are, apparently, trying to be Big Brother. From what you describe, they're not just targeting their own members, over whom they do have some sort of legitimate moral jurisdiction. They are targeting everyone who patronizes the strip club. If I were one of the people who got one of these postcards, I would be looking into bringing legal action against both the pastor and the church.

IMNSHO, religious zealots are *much* more harmful to society than the adult entertainment industry could ever dream of being. If I don't like the sex industry, I'm free to vote with my wallet by not partaking in porn, strip clubs, adult toys, etc. If I find these things morally repugnant, I'm free to find a mate who agrees with my viewpoint.

Religious zealots like these, however, try to take the freedom of choice away from people with this kind of tactic. They are invading people's lives and inserting their views where they are totally unasked-for and probably unwanted.

How many people have died as a result of the sex industry throughout history? Thousands; maybe tens or hundreds of thousands. How many people have died as a result of religious fanaticism throughout history? Many, many millions.

--fc

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-30-2004
Tue, 06-08-2004 - 3:07pm
I agree and don't forget the whole Waco TX, David Koresh tragedy...where several people died for his wakco religious beliefs after he brainwashed them.
Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 06-08-2004 - 4:59pm
Waco and Jonestown are of course extreme examples of way-out cults that got people killed.

I was speaking of the more "mundane" deaths in the name of religion. The Crusades, a series of invasions by European Christians into the largely Islamic Middle East, resulted in the deaths of Christians, Muslims, and Jews (who were slaughtered by the Christians on the way to Jerusalem, largely because they were just there)--all the the name of God. The Inquisition was Catholics killing, well, other Catholics really, in the name of God. The Reformation, the Protestant/Catholic split (which continues to kill people to this day in Ireland), the various persecutions of the Jews, the medieval pogroms, the Salem Witch Trials, jihads, 9/11...I could go on and on and that's only in the Western World, covering only 3 major religions in an incomplete and hastily-assembled list.

Organized religion is incredibly dangerous and often fatal.

--fc

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-21-2004
Tue, 06-08-2004 - 5:46pm
I don't think organized religion, in itself, is dangerous. There are extremists in all religious faiths, who can take their beliefs to a dangerous level. Radicals and fundamentalists can be very dangerous. Its the "fundamentalists" who are frightening. There are Christians, then there are fundamentalist Christians, who are more prone to doing things like bombing abortion clinics.