USA guys, trophy wives, and circumcision

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Registered: 08-06-2006
USA guys, trophy wives, and circumcision
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Sun, 08-06-2006 - 7:58pm

This board has a great name, because it sums up something I've figured out recently. I want to get this of my chest amd see if any other women out there agree with me.

My story is this - I'm a professional, high-earning female in her mid thirties.
My problem is this - I just can't get a guy. It's not because I work too hard to meet anyone - I meet plenty of professional, high-earning, good-looking guys, about my age, all the time.

The problem is this:- they are all dating, married to, or lusting after, TROPHY WIVES - blonde airheads with huge tits, a perfect ass, and not a day older than 21.

Some of them have even divorced a wife or two already, especially after they've had babies. They even joke about how it's 'time to trade her in for a younger model'.

Why are American men like this?

I go to Europe a lot on business, and I meet loads of middle-aged guys who clearly still adore their wives, who happily date women their own age, and who don't seem to care a damn for breast implants and nose-jobs. (If you go on holiday in the south of france, you won't see anywhere near the number of boob jobs that you get in california or florida.)

Then I realised something - nearly all american men are circumcised, and nearly all european men are not.

I did some research a while back on circumcision (including looking at the circumcision forum on ivillage!).
Removing the foreskin makes the mans penis massively less sensitive, and makes it much harder for the guy to masturbate.
Some women think this is a good thing - it makes him last longer in bed, and makes him more dependent on a woman for his pleasure (and apparently makes teenaged boys a lot calmer!).
However, I think there is a big drawback to that - it must also make it harder for them to get aroused and get any pleasure.

I think this is why older american guys only go for young girls with big tits - as the guys age they need that visual stimulation to arouse them. Also, if the guy barely feels any sensation as it is, once his wife has had a baby he will probably feel nothing at all!

I'm sorry to be so crude, but I think these men are ditching their wives and going for a 21 year old gym fanatic because they want to feel a tighter p*ssy.

Because 'intact' guys are so much more sensitive, they can still be aroused by an older woman - physically, psychologically, and emotionally.

It's the only explanation I've got for the behaviour I've seen. What do you ladies think?

(as for me, I'm going to the madrid office for 6 months to see if I can get myself a date!!)

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Registered: 03-28-2003
Sun, 08-06-2006 - 9:49pm
I'm a woman, and my opinion is that you are stereotyping American men too much. What profession are you in? Sounds like you are surrounded by a lot of shallow guys. If you are going to stereotype guys - I've always heard that French and Italian men are really bad about cheating on their wives. I'd much rather my husband (no, I don't have one) divorce me than cheat behind my back. I really doubt that European men are any better than American men. There are both nice guys and skanks wherever you go. You just have to sort through a lot of skanks before you find that one nice guy who is right for you. As far as women getting boob jobs goes - well they do it because they have low self-esteem and think that having big boobs will somehow make them "someone" - but it just makes them the same person with big boobs. Sad! Iri
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Mon, 08-07-2006 - 4:31am

It's a theory. I won't discount it. Since circ started out by Mr. Kellog as a way to stop boys from MB...

Anyway, I have another theory. Mine is about women on the freeway who have to be one car ahead of you and will do anything to do that. I think this behavior is worse in areas of the states where women have less power and control over everything else in their lives. So, they get behind the wheel of a car and play "My P**** is Bigger Than Yours." LOL

Anyone else with theories???

Steph

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Registered: 08-06-2006
Mon, 08-07-2006 - 8:14am
I work in corporate finance - it is a pretty macho industry, so maybe you're right, I am just unlucky and surrounded by shallow guys!
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Registered: 07-13-2005
Mon, 08-07-2006 - 12:15pm

I think it is who you work with (and where you work) Caitlin.


Think about a lawyer that lives in L.A. Then compare that to say an accountant in Nebraska. Those two men have a completely different pool of women. And they need to act a certain way to get someone from that pool. This is not to say that the generalitites of American men versus European men aren't true - I think they are if you take them at just that - generalities. The whole thing about the "ugly American" came from Americans acting ugly in the frist place. But, if you are looking in a silver mine for gold, it ain't gonna happen.


Now, as far as the whole circumcision thing - not to go all TMI on you, but my circumcised equipment gives me great pleasure!


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Registered: 08-30-2002
Mon, 08-07-2006 - 1:32pm
I used to work in corporate finance too so I agree there is a certain amount of shallowness connected to the men in it. Trophie wives tend to be another peice of bling that goes along with the fat house(s), the expensive car and the Armani Suits and Italian loafers.
I now work in the agriculture/nursery industry and tend to find the men in true partnership with their wives who have given then 4 babies and worked beside them. Not to say that there aren't jerks and nice guys everywhere but the ratio changes by the superficiality of the industry. Years ago I was in auto finance and every ugly cliche about car salesmen turned out to be true in the majority with a few really, honorable, family men working there beside them. But the good guys were certainly the minority.


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Registered: 08-06-2006
Tue, 08-08-2006 - 4:35am

Joel, I'm really pleased that your equipment gives you great satisfaction
(I mean that seriously - some of the stuff I read on the internet about circumcision makes me feel really sorry for guys!)

But to be honest - you're right - it was way too much information!!!

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Registered: 07-13-2005
Tue, 08-08-2006 - 11:17am
LOL Cait, I was just trying to answer the question! In all honesty, I haven't heard of any men that I know of being circumcized and not having feelings down there. I'm sure there people who had their procedures botched that affect them, as any time you have surgery on anything their are those risks.

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Registered: 11-22-2005
Tue, 08-08-2006 - 11:35am

Interesting post. In my opinion shallow men have more to do with our warped sense of beauty in this country. We are flooded non-stop with images of unnaturally beautiful women and some men can't separate fantasy from reality. In Europe women are appreciated in all shapes and sizes. In the US women are expected to hide their imperfections. Years ago a friend of mine went to Europe and took a picture of a nude pregnant woman on the beach with her toddler, her and I were the only ones who appreciated it - all other responses were of distaste for a pregnant woman being on the beach nude.

As for the guys needing more visual stimulation as they age - that is incorrect. Studies have shown men are not as easily stimulated as they age and they need more PHYSICAL contact. I think they may go over board on the visual because that is what has always stimualted them in the past.

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Registered: 05-25-2003
Thu, 08-10-2006 - 3:58am
Lots of men who make good money either 1. fool around on the side, or 2. divorce and marry a younger, prettier woman. I can tell right off that you are one of many women who mistakenly think that men look for the same things in a partner that women do. Wrong. Men are attracted to young, pretty women. Women are attracted to financially successful, secure, stable men (age not really as much a factor here, money and status is). Guys really don't care how much a woman makes. Women on the other hand, see a man's income as an important issue (I know, I know, another generalization, but it's pretty close to the truth). Few women will marry a man who makes substantially less than she does. Men don't care at all. It's all a matter of what your priorities are. For men, it's beauty. We like sex, and it's simply more enjoyable, all other things being essentially equal, with someone who's very physically attractive and new to us. For women, it's a man who is 'financially secure'. Look on the personals; you'll never see a guy looking for a woman who is 'financially secure'. But you'll see it all the time in women's ads. And of course, you have to think 'marketing'. By limiting yourself to a selection of men who are obviously after trophy wives, you're in the wrong section of the market. Lots of us would be thrilled to meet a nice, stable woman of even average looks. So if you are indeed 'heavenly', you just have to look elsewhere for a man; not necessarily off this continent, but perhaps outside of your working field. And, of course, if you stick to places like south beach, yes, you'll find more boob jobs there than perhaps in central indiana, unless you frequent gogo bars. Basically, if you don't fit what the market is looking for, market yourself elsewhere. If you're a BBW, I know that lots of middle eastern men like their women big. If you're rail slim, I'm the kind of guy that likes you. Looks are important to men. If you don't turn us on, we look elsewhere, your excellent job and financial status is unimportant; yes, it's nice to find a woman who will spend her own money and not ours all the time, but we were brought up to expect to support a wife and family, so it's not that big a deal, where as women are outraged if their boyfriend or husband doesn't work. As far as the circumcision issue, I think you're theory is wrong. There are plenty of circumcised premature ejaculators out there.
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Registered: 08-30-2002
Thu, 08-10-2006 - 5:20pm
Well Dex, maybe it's because I am in California, but it seems like a lot of guys I dated were looking at my "assets" and they had nothing to do with my looks. I eventually learned that when a guy told me how great it was that I "could take care of myself" it's really because they didn't want to have to. Generally they were looking for someone to take care of them.
I have always been looking for a partner. Someone that would work as hard and put as much into the relationship as me. They didn't have to make as much as me or own as much as I did but they had to at least be and remain self sufficient. Or at least be able to hold down the home front if I was bringing home the bacon. Unfortunately it took a very long time to find that. I seemed to either find guys that were intimidated by my success, wanted to be Freddy Freeloader or wanted me to give up everything I ever worked for to rely solely on them (basically give up my self) and not have an independant thought in my fluffy little head.
It's pretty strange that the guy I finally found, that has a great work ethic, shares in co parenting, works with me towards our combined goals and future is 15 years younger than me. He had nothing when we met, just a minimum wage job but has started his own successful business and took on full financial responsibility right after our baby was born because he thought mom being home was the most important thing for his child. At 15 years his senior I break the mold of "trophy" wife. I know all the girls 15 years younger than me are naturally more attractive because they have 15 years less gravity they've dealt with but for whatever reason I'm his "Hottie."
I agree with you that if you aren't finding guys where you have been looking you might want to change where you are doing your "marketing". Actually my partner and I knew each other for a couple of years before he told me he felt the way he did because I wasn't looking in the younger set. But here I am. 5 years and one child later with a "Boy Toy". Me. Someone who wasn't that kind of woman at all.
Actually it was not his youth and beauty that I found attractive it was his personal values. I guess thats where men and women differ. If he had been 20 years older than me I would still be with him because it's what's inside him that really counts to me.


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