Day 11 on Phase 1 with Type 2 Diabetes

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Day 11 on Phase 1 with Type 2 Diabetes
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Wed, 02-27-2008 - 3:13pm

This is Day 11 on the South Beach for me. As I promised my Doctor, I have been monitoring my Glucose numbers very closely. I started with a weight of 242 Lbs. I have lost 8 lbs in the first 8 days. I now refuse to weigh myself until Sunday, which will be the end of two weeks on Phase 1.

OK, here is my question, and I know its probably been asked before. As I have read many posts in this forum, I see where Dr. Agatston, is quoted as saying if you have more than 100 lbs to lose, it is ok to stay on Phase One slightly longer. If I go by the weight charts I have found on line, and the weight the Diabetic nurse has told me I should weigh, I should be about 165 lbs for my height. This is an ideal weight which does not take into consideration that I am muscular and large boned. I was told I could add 10% for being large boned, and another 10% for muscularity. Of course I think the issues of adding extra percentages for this and that just confuses the issue. At least it does for me.

What I would like to know is, will it be ok for me to stay on Phase 1 for another week?

Will one more week on Phase 1 help normalize my sugar even more or have I done all I can with that in the 2 weeks I will have been on Phase 1?

Is there anyway for me to get this question to Dr. Agatston directly, or can someone who has access to him possibly ask these questions for me?

My purpose is first and foremost, the normalizing of my sugar or Glucose. My Doctor has agreed, to take me off my Metformin for two weeks, and give me a more conclusive Fasting Glucose test, then just the A1C. My glucose testing numbers have been consistently under 130 with a few exceptions. My lowest has been 108.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks
Jason




Edited 2/27/2008 6:17 pm ET by fatboyinil

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Fri, 02-29-2008 - 10:10am

firebird mom wrote:

No - nothing I wrote was unrelated...

First - I said that if you want answers straight from Dr. A - one of your questions - then you need to pay the bucks to join the official South Beach site and post your questions here.

My response:

Did you say this in your first post, or did that come later? Be honest!

firebird mom:

Second - will it be okay to extend phase 1 - I gave you my personal opinion - NO it is not okay for anyone to ever extend phase 1 in my opinion. Follow it or don't, like it or not - that is my personal opinion.

My response:

Ok, that is your personal opinion, and more than likely the opinion of some others, but its not everyone's opinion out there! If it was, then no one would have ever attempted to extend phase one and there would not be posts about it. Apparently you do not like the fact, that I just did not blindly accept your answer.

firebird mom:

So I believe I answered all three of your questions, you just didn't like my answers.
Edited to add: I will bow out off all further discussion on this now. If you were looking for "support" here you have certainly insured exactly the opposite as I will not feel comfortable posting or responding to anymore of your questions and I know a number of other members will not either. That is too bad, because really we do have a lot of insight and valuable information to offer.

My response:

Apparently then, you must represent a Clique, because you keep saying we. If you want to withhold valuable information, and do not wish to participate then that's fine with me. Who are you really hurting by your actions in the long run? Is this my punishment for not bowing down and kissing your feet? Your behavior is just like a kid, in grade school or high school saying, its my ball, and if you do not follow my rules and do exactly what I say, I am going to take my ball and go home because I want to play my way only!

Actually the first part of what you originally wrote was unrelated and you just cannot bring yourself to acknowledge it.

You and a few others are upset, so now this thread is not as productive as it could have been. This is a direct result of You, and a few others, whom have chosen to change the topic, and its direction.

In the beginning of your previous response, you went on and on about weight loss, but none of the 3 questions I asked were really concerned with that.

Apparently you felt that you need to vent some hostility more than anything else, because that is exactly what you did at the beginning of your post. Why not be an adult and own up to that. Just because I asked if anyone on this forum could get my questions to Dr. Agatston, you were offended by it and took it as an attack on your credibility. You also seem to take offense because you believe the advice you give is golden, so if you give it and someone does not take it, it makes you and others angry. This is certainly evidenced by your last few posts.

Just as some men and women watch professional football on Sundays, and see thousands and thousands of different plays, while it might give them some expertise, it does not make them a professional coach. Just because I choose to watch cooking shows does not make me a cook either. Likewise, if someone reads a book on brain surgery, understands the concepts, and has talked to thousands of people about their issues, does not make them a brain surgeon. I would think anyone would understand that concept. Even so, I never discounted any information from anyone in this forum.

The continuous harping in regard to how no Diabetic should ever start in Phase One, quickly became very old. As I said previously, I had my Doctor's permission to do so. If I had my Doctor's permission and made you and others aware of it, then why the continuous harping? It was simply not necessary.

Is it that hard to understand that everyone is different! That cases where someone has a health issue such as diabetes and other complications are going to vary from person to person! Wouldn't you agree that it would be better to gather as much information as you could before making any decision, or is it better just to blindly accept what someone else tells you?

What it really seems that some of you are upset about, is when communicated to Cathy, exactly how I felt in regard to the way she responded to me. It appears she accepted what I said and moved on. Likewise, I certainly understood it was not her intent to come across in the way she did, and moved on. Apparently, you and a few others cannot do the same.

What is this High School! Someone posts something to the contrary, or questions something said, so it upsets the Clique!

Is it that you cannot stomach the fact that someone else might be able to come up with a more correct answer for themselves than the one you gave them so you resent that?

Have you really tried to look at things objectively?

Do you run and hide every time someone posts something you do not like on a chat board?

I do want to point out that I feel there are a few Class Acts in this forum!

One of them is CL-Cathy, who adult enough to acknowledge my post, apparently was able to accept my feelings, and has moved on.

Another most helpful and 0utstanding Classy Member is Maggie. Maggie, while possibly not agreeing with all the choices I have personally made, has provided helpful information, as she always has.

Thank you both CL-Cathy and Maggie, for being helpful, and being and Adults.

Jason

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Fri, 02-29-2008 - 11:14am

I assure your that you have not crossed any boundaries at all. You are well within your right to speak up and communicate your feelings as I have. Even if I do not agree with the message you wish to communicate, you still have that right and I would certainly defend that.

I believe the real situation here, is that somehow it has been forgotten that this is a chat or discussion board related to the South Beach diet. I think some have let their Ego's get in the way of that.

Unless I am way off base, discussion still means an exchange of ideas If that were not the case, then why not simply post FAQ's, and no discussion would ever be needed.

People also have the right to collect information from any source available to them. One would think this would be the only way to make a good intelligent decision.

I agree that there is a lot of good information contained in this forum. I also think that the usefulness of any information, is subject to the individual's own situation. I think you will also agree, that everyone is somewhat different, especially when it concerns personal heath care. If you do, then you will have no trouble understanding that there are always variations in how someone is treated. You can already see there are lots of variations that people have added to the South Beach diet based on their comfort levels and needs. There is even a vegetarian version of the South Beach as Dr. Agatston mentions in his book in the preface page xiii.

As I stated when I first returned this board, I have been diagnosed as Type 2 Diabetic. My goal, first and foremost has been to normalize my sugar, and get my glucose testing levels in the normal range. Weight loss is an added bonus and certainly a secondary goal.

There are different types of Diabetics even within the Type 2. Each different Type is treated differently. I consulted with my Doctor prior to starting Phase One. Even so, I still have had to deal with people in this forum telling me that I should not be on it. I imagine, that is why there seems to be a lot of controversy going on.

While weight loss seems to be the major focus of many in this forum, I think they forget that one of Dr. Agatston's purposes was for this diet to Reverse Pre-Diabetes. It has also been very effective for some Type 2 Diabetes patients.

Once again My goal, is first and foremost is to normalize my Sugar. My purpose behind that is to either manage and if possible, completely reverse my Type 2 Diabetes. My only wish is there was more information in this forum in regard to that.

Jason

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Fri, 02-29-2008 - 11:31am

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Fri, 02-29-2008 - 1:37pm

from:
firebird_mom
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fatboyinil
date:
Feb-28 8:57 am
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I'm sorry, but I still don't see in there where it is suggested to extend phase 1 for anyone - even diabetics. That was your question. EXTENDING phase one - as you said doing phase 1 is moot because you've already done that.

My response:

Apparently you must have missed this, but thanks for you help.

http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/71/81355.htm

Member question: How long can you safely stay on the Phase 1 part of the diet?

Agatston: Phase 1 is to get rid of carbohydrate cravings. Once this is accomplished, it is fine to begin Phase 2. For those who are quite overweight, they often are doing very well on Phase 1, they are not hungry and do not want to leave it. The rapid weight loss in Phase 1 also gives a very positive feedback. The problem with staying on Phase 1 and losing too much weight too rapidly is that you lose muscle and bone mass, which is very metabolically active. If you lose muscle and bone mass, you will be burning fewer calories while you are sleeping. For this reason we recommend exercise, which helps to maintain muscle and bone mass and therefore a higher metabolism or higher metabolic rate. We recommend moving to Phase 2 at least by the third or fourth week. The more there is to lose, the longer it is okay to stay on Phase 1, but we still like to see movement to Phase 2 at least by the third or fourth week.

There you go. A clear cut answer directly from the Dr. Agatston himself. Thanks for all your help firemom.

Jason

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