women in higher positions are...........

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women in higher positions are...........
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Tue, 08-21-2007 - 8:59pm
Do you all think women in good jobs seem indifferent towards men, especially in management?
I just don't see that "desire" in them?
I think thats what makes a lot of men angry and they don't want to see women in higher positions, right?

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Tue, 08-21-2007 - 9:14pm
maybe it is an illusion. Maybe an insecure man might feel inferior to women in higher places. Are we saying there are no hot women COE's???????? doubt it. leila
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Tue, 08-21-2007 - 9:57pm

I think it is the opposite. I think there is a real desire there, they just been able to conceal it. That's what makes them great leaders, they have learned to keep their emotions in check. A lot of higher up women that I know in the advertising field had to sacrifice a social life to get where they are. It was always about work. That means, they never had the chance to find real love. And you know what I find, they really wished they had that, sometimes more then the high paying job.

So first glances are never as revealing as what's underneath it all.

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Tue, 08-21-2007 - 11:05pm

What makes some men angry and bitter towards women who are more successful than they are is insecurity and jealousy, plain and simple.

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Wed, 08-22-2007 - 12:45am

Shouldn't they be, when they are at work, just as men should be indifferent towards women when they are at work?

Maybe I'm not understanding the question.

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Wed, 08-22-2007 - 9:56am
I think as a person in power you have to be indifferent to the opposite sex. Plus, if a woman in power was a flirt, people would assume that she slept her way to the top. Its a vicious cycle. Powerful women often have to act like men to get any recognition, and often a woman who is confident and assertive in a business setting is looked at as snotty wench or an ice queen. Or she must be a lesbian. Grrr. Can't win for trying. I worked for a company founded and owned by two female Stanford business grads - they were both married with children.

~Heather~

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Wed, 08-22-2007 - 10:02am
So why do they need to conceal their desire? What's the correlation between concealment and being a good leader?
I mean I can understand if they want to observe chastity, modesty, or Decency, which is all good, but that's different from giving an aura of coldness and/or arrogance.
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Wed, 08-22-2007 - 10:27am

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Not at all.

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Perhaps because those who are capable of achieving such positions also have the skills and savvy to behave professionally? Showing "desire" in the workplace is inappropriate.

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I think what makes a certain type of man angry about women in positions of power is their own inferiority. It's nothing to do with the women and everything to do with their own weakness.


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Wed, 08-22-2007 - 10:47am

I'm not sure which women have caused you to make that assumption, but I know for a fact it's not true. I worked with one woman who was a VP, and she was one of the most sexually charged people I have ever met. Another woman I know is a Senior VP, and she wants more than anything to be married and have kids.

Stereotypes are dangerous. Never assume.

AJ, enjoying life with C.

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Wed, 08-22-2007 - 10:50am

>>So why do they need to conceal their desire? What's the correlation between concealment and being a good leader? <<

Because it's business. Her value as a leader is about her skills, her brain, her ability to earn respect. NOT her sexuality or attractability.

AJ, enjoying life with C.

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Wed, 08-22-2007 - 11:46am

First of all, this is such a random assumption/question. Second, why do you assume that a woman is cold and distant if she doesn't fall all over men at work?? A corporate leader's work persona is the only reason I can assume you think this, unless your circle consists of numerous female CEO's.

Like everyone else has said, it's unprofessional (especially in a business environment) for a woman OR a man in power to be overtly flirty or sexual or whatever. That's for life outside the workplace. I DON'T think they lack desire though (and how can you see desire in people you don't necessarily know??), how do you think they got where they are?? If they can keep that much professional desire in check, I think they can stop themselves from drooling over male co-workers for a few minutes to get their work done. To be that successful, I wouldn't imagine you can let much get in the way of your goals, including men and relationships, which doesn't mean they can't co-exist, but that they can't be those women who find a man, get married, and her career goals abruptly fall to the wayside.

And I definitely don't think that's why men (some men) don't like to see women in top positions, I think (like many others have said) that many men feel threatened that women can do their jobs as well, if not better, than them. Their cozy, sheltered days of the "boys club" are over.

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