Dating Rules -- From a Man's Perspective

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Registered: 05-09-2005
Dating Rules -- From a Man's Perspective
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Wed, 08-03-2005 - 6:01pm

This is a "to do" list for women who aren't meeting the guys they want to meet, either the quantity of guys or the quality of guys that make them happy. If you are happy with what you are getting, then good for you. Don't change a thing. If you are going to gripe about players, flakey guys, guys who only love the chase, guys who only want sex, and all the rest, then do these things and you will have more shots at more good guys than you will know what to do with.

1. If you are not happy with your physical appearance then hit the gym and fix it.

2. Be open to meeting guys ANYWHERE. On the street, at the grocery store, at the mall, at the bank, wherever. Realize that we do not require to be all dressed up in club gear for us to be attracted to you. You look better than you think in the sweats and ball cap you wore to run to the grocery store for your Ben & Jerry's pint fix.

3. Be approachable. How? Lose the "I am about to crap a watermelon" look on your face. Look pleased to be alive if not happy to be where you are. Stop making such an intensive study of the floor tiles. Look around, see who is around. Don't be afraid to make eye contact.

4. Speaking of eye contact, when you make it and glance away instantly we guys will often think "Oh, she definitely does not want me walking over there." If you do it a second time, we will often be sure of that assessment. When you make eye contact, make it for an extended period of time. Shoot for 5 seconds. Yes, you can do this in line at the bank. Be sure to include some kind of smile that we can actually see and isn't hidden behind your hair that falls in your face as you rapidly whip your head away and out of eye contact.

5. Speaking of hair, don't cut it short. There is a thread on this now. Read it and understand it.

6. Dress however the guy you want to meet would like to see a woman dress, not just how you think guys in general want women dressing. If you want a guy that likes women dressed in jeans and ball caps, then wear that. If you want a guy that like women dressed in hooker gear, then wear that. You will be choosing what you attract.

7. You know how you go into a social event and within moments 4 guys have sloppily tried to hit on you and now you are all annoyed at men in general? Lose the attitude. The guy playing pool with his buddies who you might like to talk to has watched all this and can see that you are now pissed off and isn't going to bother. He's having more fun shooting pool than he would have dealing with your aggravation.

8. Even if you stay upbeat that guy may assume that you are through listening to guys for the night. If you think you might like to talk to him, go say hello. It does not make you a skank. If a guy does think it makes you a skank, then he's a dumbass and you don't want to talk to him anyway.

9. You are allowed to initiate conversation or approach men. It does not make you a skank. If a guy does think it makes you a skank, then he's a dumbass and you don't want to talk to him anyway.

10. Society does not say that women cannot be aggressive. WOMEN say that women cannot be aggressive. This does not turn most guys off. It WILL turn off the players who just love the chase. Guess what that makes them? A dumbass, and you don't want to talk to him anyway.

11. Just because you approached or asked out one guy, or even two, and it did not result in a whirlwind romance with Prince Charming worthy of a fairy tale publication and a Sunday evening miniseries does not mean that doing such things does not work. It just means that you are dealing with people and people don't always "click." Deal with it.

12. You can meet good guys in bars. You just have to cut past the 4 players who roll up in the first two minutes. The good guys are shooting pool or talking with friends while the vultures are descending when you walk in the door.

13. The Man-fairy is not going to deliver a guy to your doorstep and ring the bell. If you want to meet more guys, you have to leave the house. Yes, I know it was a long week at work. Yes, I know you have plants to repot and knitting to do and your wine glasses all need polishing. Yes, I know you have saved all those Extreme Home Makeover episodes on your TiVo. Skip it. The men are all out there at the bars, bookstores, running clubs, and coffee shops of the world. If you only socialize once a month beyond your weekly trip to blockbuster then not meeting guys is your own fault.

14. Yes, you can meet good guys at the gym. It is just very hard to do so when you never take off your iPod headphones.

15. Attach no significance to when a guy calls. Just about everyone has some silly rule about how many days to wait before calling. Most of them have no bearing on what the guy is really thinking, other than that he is guessing at which "rule" you believe in. As long as he hasn't waited so long that it is rude, don't sweat it.

16. If you are not interested, don't give a guy your number and then blow him off. It is just rude and you WILL develop a reputation.

17. Take some risks. Go talk to that guy. It isn't as hard as it looks and getting shot down is better than never knowing. It is better than kicking yourself all the way home over why he didn't come talk to you.

18. If a guy acts like a jerk, he IS a jerk. You can't change him, tame him, or anything like that and there is no prize for playing that game. Just a lot of heartache and baggage to carry to the next guy until you make yourself totally undateable.

19. If you are talking to a guy and getting good vibes but he just isn't "closing the deal" (asking for your number, etc), realize that he might be having trouble with your signals. Either amp up the signals or just offer your number. See what happens. You aren't promising to have his babies, so settle down.

20. Your dating fate is in your hands. YOU can make these changes and YOU can gain some control of things if YOU choose to do so. If you don't, I don't have any sympathy for you.

21. Not having cats will really, REALLY help your case. (In my case, that's true...damn allergies).

22. Most women will not buy into this because it would mean accepting responsibility for their dating lives, something most women avoid like the plague, which would give a woman an advantage over others by following these suggestions.

23. Don't stick to tight groups of friends all night. All that does is make it unlikely that a nonplayer will approach you. No, that doesn't mean the guy isn't confident. It just means the guy is smart enough to realize he can't entertain 986875 girls that get out once a month while at least 1/4 of the group is PMSing. Cycle around alone a bit. You will probably not get kidnapped from a public eating or drinking establishment.

24. Just because a guy wants sex from you does not mean that he ONLY wants sex from you. If he approached you, asked you out or responded to your advances then he wants sex from you at a minimum. He may want more, but he at least wants that. if you avoid guys who show that they want sex then you will likely end up undersexed when in the relationship.

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Registered: 07-20-2005
Wed, 08-03-2005 - 9:47pm
Ok, I printed this out and saved it. You can always count on this board for a swift kick when you need it. ;-)
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Registered: 05-13-2005
Thu, 08-04-2005 - 5:04am
Excellent! Thanks for posting. I sent this to one of my single friends and she loved it.
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Registered: 05-13-2005
Thu, 08-04-2005 - 5:19am
One more thing - I think this link is so good that I added it to our new home page!! Check it out:




http://singlemom-ivill.tripod.com




The link to that page is at the top of our board:

"About This Community

Join host cl-west1745 along with other iVillagers, as we discuss the ins and outs of dating for single mothers. Please visit our Single Mothers and Dating board website."
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iVillage Member
Registered: 05-09-2005
Thu, 08-04-2005 - 11:11am
Good deal!
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 08-04-2005 - 2:16pm

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1. If you are not happy with your physical appearance then hit the gym and fix it.

5. Speaking of hair, don't cut it short. There is a thread on this now. Read it and understand it.

20. Your dating fate is in your hands. YOU can make these changes and YOU can gain some control of things if YOU choose to do so. If you don't, I don't have any sympathy for you.

22. Most women will not buy into this because it would mean accepting responsibility for their dating lives, something most women avoid like the plague, which would give a woman an advantage over others by following these suggestions.

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In my opinion it's time for women to accept responsibility for their ENTIRE life and put the "dating life" in it's proper perspective, which is in line AFTER creating a fulfilling life for yourself. AND accepting responsibility for your dating life does not mean remaking yourself to very narrow media standards(long hair, gym type body.)Sounds like a jerk's list for "what I want a woman to do to keep my very narrow preferences happy", especially in the above 4 excerpts. My immediate response is definitely not to print it off and keep it. My immediate response is "take a flying leap"...to put it nicely.

It's my hair,...men date women with all hair lengths and all different kinds of bodies....live with it and I'm not going to even look for that thread.

A good example of why I don't check in here very often any more.

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Registered: 02-19-2004
Thu, 08-04-2005 - 2:52pm
HI! Glad you stopped in, it's good to see you again.

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Registered: 04-02-2003
Thu, 08-04-2005 - 6:33pm

Hey Candi!

I wish you'd hang out more, you have such strong opinions about things that people can really learn from...

I totally agree with you about the hair thing. When I read that, I was like...what?!?!? It actually contradicts that whole thing about dressing the way you want to attract the guy you want...if you like short hair, then cut it! You'll attract the guy who likes short hair...or doesn't care about your hair. how about that? lol

I do think though that the comment about doing something if you are unhappy about your appearance, carries some weight though (no pun intended!) Regardless of what the OP intended, I believe it is related more to our own self-esteem vs. what men think. I've seen plenty of women go through poor self-esteem issues over their body image, even though they've been with wonderful supporting guys who think they're beautiful no matter what. ( I was one of them until I finally did something about it!) So, if someone personally is unhappy, they should put themselves in control and do something about it. And vice versa, if someone is happy with herself the way she is, don't change! Despite what men or anyone else thinks.

Personally though, the whole tone of that post bothered me. I can put my finger on it, except that it just did...I think that if it had been a verbal conversation I was having with some guy and he was pitching that tone with me, I'd be gone...in less than 60 seconds.

Good to see you! hope you stick around.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 08-04-2005 - 8:42pm
wow...you sure sound angry at the post AND at the board. What's going on?
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Registered: 02-19-2004
Thu, 08-04-2005 - 11:32pm

I think it's like any list of suggestions that might be directed toward single dating women. You take from it what you can benefit from and leave the rest behind.

Good point about the long/short hair comment, it does contradict the point to look how you want to look.

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Registered: 08-04-2005
Fri, 08-05-2005 - 3:09am

You made a few great points, HOWEVER........


"A good example of why I don't check in here very often any more."


Sweet, real sweet. Glad you missed us too. You could of saved yourself that comment. Sorry to see your still angry and hurt. Maybe you'll come around at some other point when you are over your negative emotions towards us or this board.


- Catherine

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