Dependency Breeds Poverty

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Dependency Breeds Poverty
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Sun, 09-12-2010 - 8:25am

Education and a value system that supports a stable lifestyle prevent poverty. . .programs that foster dependency

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Sun, 09-12-2010 - 11:22pm

>>> Oh it is the paying of a little tax that is the objection?

A "little tax?" ROFL!!! And why should I have to pay for someone else to get insurance? Or for someone else to get training for a job? I don't recall anyone else paying for my insurance or college education.

>>> If you need emergency care how is that paid for? taxes.

Nope...through MY insurance that I pay for.

>>> If you have children their schooling is paid thru taxes

Actually not my children in particular...but yes, if they attended public schools then that schooling would be paid for BY ME with MY taxes.

>>> So Taxes pay for fire and police too.

True...services I pay for with MY taxes...all to provide security for the community as a whole...not an individual.

>>> but then : Sure...that's why we have colleges and trade schools. Get an education, learn a skill, THEN knock on the door of business. Those schools are paid for by taxes.

Colleges and trade schools are not funded by taxes, and the education people receive there isn't free.

>>>>Paid for by your taxes...and the taxes of the rich. But free public school education stops at grade 12. If that's as far as you want to go, then good luck to you. If you want more education, there are a host of facilities nearby that you can pay to attend.<<<<<

>>> Wrong: taxes pay for schooling passed the doctoral level. No one but the very wealthy could afford it otherwise.

Er...I'm afraid not...but feel free to go to your local college and demand free admission.

>>>> The government is there to collect taxes, fix roads and defend the rights of the people.<<<<

>>> Wrong It is the people who defend the rights. Government is to protect the people.

So...the government protects the people without defending their rights? That's some trick. I guess it explains how Obama has been able to stomp all over them.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

>>> Notice it mentions welfare of the people. Not welfare of business and corporations so greed and selfishness are Not covered.

Do you imagine that corporations are like transformers? LOL! Actually, they're run by people, for people and they employ people. BTW, the "general welfare" and the "common defense" include people's "rights"...hence the mention of "liberty." But nowhere does it say the government has a right to take MY money and give it to someone else.

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Sun, 09-12-2010 - 11:32pm

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>>> That's it, huh? The last 70-80 years of governing that changed all that can simply be ignored. Americans didn't really want that; our parents and grandparents were just really confused, right?

Oh, if only it could. Let's go back to the heady days of our forefathers and strive to build on the foundations of freedom, self-reliance and enterprise they set for us instead of the crooked pillars forced on the country by "progressives."

>>> Let's revert to the good ol' days when the aristocrats' share of the nation's wealth was even greater than it is today, and we'll be sure to have an even Greater Depression!

You're referring to those evil "aristocrats" like Washington and Jefferson? And the depression? You can than thank your progressive forebears for condemning the country to decades of pain and strife through their destructive policies...much as Obama and the Democrats continue to harm the country and burden it's people with their wicked, anti-American, socialist agenda. But thankfully, the country has seen them for what they are...and CHANGE is coming.

>>> That's what we'll get if the Republicans take control again.

God willing...and that's "God" with a capital "G."

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Sun, 09-12-2010 - 11:34pm
LOL! Typical libs...always expect others to do the work for them and carry the weight they're too weak to manage.
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Mon, 09-13-2010 - 3:10am

Let's see you said YOU paid for your college HA! Not in the US? Hmmm Harvard 70% US government funds. So called private take federal funds! Even the most private take funding from others no You did not pay the entire cost.

>>> But nowhere does it say the government has a right to take MY money and give it to someone else.<<<<<<<
Yes it does. Your money? And you are whining about paying taxes?
Taxes are taking "your" money and giving it to someone else.!! LOL!!!!

>>>>Er...I'm afraid not...but feel free to go to your local college and demand free admission.<<<<
You mean the full ride scholarship?
>>>>So...the government protects the people without defending their rights? That's some trick. I guess it explains how Obama has been able to stomp all over them.<<<<<
what rights? Oh you must mean the right to huge profit and to cry to congress when they get into a downturn because of bad ,outdated, business models? And get THE TAXPAYERS TO BAIL THEM OUT!
>>> Do you imagine that corporations are like transformers? LOL! Actually, they're run by people, for people and they employ people.<<<<
What? you admit there are humans running businesses? The same humans who let the business almost go out and had the nerve to ask the taxpayer to bail them out? The business that loves to pay low wages and sell high prices? The ones who complain about the crappy cheap insurance they pay the worker? The ones who want to keep it that way because then they can lord over someone?
OH the real problem is that when people have a good living then someone is unhappy. When people can't afford good medical care because the costs are too high? And that employer paid insurance does not cover it? But no taxes even thought it would be cheaper and result in superior care if it was single payer?

But nowhere does it say the government has a right to take MY money and give it to someone else.
No the government takes your tax money and gives it to failed business with no oversight (TARP). Business is about profit and control.

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Mon, 09-13-2010 - 7:24am

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State colleges most certainly are funded by taxes. That's how they are kept more affordable for that state's residents.

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Mon, 09-13-2010 - 8:04am

<<>>> Let's revert to the good ol' days when the aristocrats' share of the nation's wealth was even greater than it is today, and we'll be sure to have an even Greater Depression!

You're referring to those evil "aristocrats" like Washington and Jefferson? And the depression? You can than thank your progressive forebears for condemning the country to decades of pain and strife through their destructive policies...much as Obama and the Democrats continue to harm the country and burden it's people with their wicked, anti-American, socialist agenda. But thankfully, the country has seen them for what they are...and CHANGE is coming.

>>> That's what we'll get if the Republicans take control again.

God willing...and that's "God" with a capital "G.">>

Uh....money is not my god and I don't think it deserves a capital "G"!

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Mon, 09-13-2010 - 2:36pm

>>Too many employers whine about unqualified job applicants, but are unwilling spend a bit more on payroll to provide the specialized training for the skill set they expect/need.<<

What do you mean "on payroll" ?

You mean they should have to hire someone to train applicants rather than expect their tax dollars fund public schools that actually graduate competent ones?

Many businesses with specialized training needs do provide training as needed. In fact even when that happens they are often not successful in finding qualified and dedicated employees. Good article on that recently that I read.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704895004575395491314812452.html
Firms Struggle to Fill Jobs

some excerpts:

Employers and economists point to several explanations. Extending jobless benefits to 99 weeks gives the unemployed less incentive to search out new work. Millions of homeowners are unable to move for a job because the real-estate collapse leaves them owing more on their homes than they are worth.

The job market itself also has changed. During the crisis, companies slashed millions of middle-skill, middle-wage jobs. That has created a glut of people who can't qualify for highly skilled jobs but have a hard time adjusting to low-pay, unskilled work like the food servers that Pilot Flying J seeks for its truck stops.

Longer-term trends are at play. For one, the U.S. education system hasn't been producing enough people with the highly specialized skills that many companies, particularly in manufacturing, require to keep driving productivity gains. "There are a lot of people who are unemployed, but those aren't necessarily the people employers are looking for," says David Autor, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Manufacturers of high-precision products such as automobile and aircraft parts are in a particularly tough spot. Global competition keeps them from raising wages much. But they need workers with the combination of math skills, intuition and stamina required to operate the computer-controlled metalworking machines that now dominate the factory floor.

At Mechanical Devices, which supplies parts for earthmovers and other heavy equipment to manufacturers such as Caterpillar Inc., part owner Mark Sperry says he has been looking for $13-an-hour machinists since early this year. The lack of workers is "the key limitation to the growth of our business and to meeting our customers' expectations," says Mr. Sperry. He estimates the company could immediately boost sales by as much as 20% if it could find the 40 workers it needs.

Trips to several job fairs yielded almost nothing, so the company set up a 10-week training program to create its own machinists. Out of the first group of 24 trainees, 16 made it to graduation.

Mr. Sperry sees extended jobless benefits as one of the main culprits behind his company's hiring difficulties. Many of the applicants he saw at job fairs, he says, were just going through the motions so they could collect their unemployment checks.

Some workers agree that unemployment benefits make them less likely to take whatever job comes along, particularly when those jobs don't pay much. Michael Hatchell, a 52-year-old mechanic in Lumberton, N.C., says he turned down more than a dozen offers during the 59 weeks he was unemployed, because they didn't pay more than the $450 a week he was collecting in benefits. One auto-parts store, he says, offered him $7.75 an hour, which amounts to only $310 a week for 40 hours.

"I was not going to put myself in a situation where I was making that small of a wage," says Mr. Hatchell. He has since found a better-paying job at a different auto-parts dealer.






Edited 9/13/2010 2:41 pm ET by gripcon
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Mon, 09-13-2010 - 3:12pm
I can agree somewhat but it is to wide a phase that can mean many things and is not accurate. A net too large if you will. Perhaps there are many more than one reason that has everything to do with the times that one lives in.
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