Dependency Breeds Poverty

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Dependency Breeds Poverty
Sun, 09-12-2010 - 8:25am

Education and a value system that supports a stable lifestyle prevent poverty. . .programs that foster dependency


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Registered: 04-04-2001
Wed, 09-15-2010 - 2:59pm

The "point" about census bureau jobs and unemployment benefits is that they are temporary, band aids which do not create real, sustainable employment and which place severe strains on the public budget.

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Wed, 09-15-2010 - 3:17pm

I worked part-time jobs to pay for my education. . .it took me longer than some to finish.

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Wed, 09-15-2010 - 3:19pm

It is also well known that employees doing the "same job" may do so with far different levels of skill, experience, and personality!

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Registered: 04-04-2001
Wed, 09-15-2010 - 5:10pm

Heard Zac Bissonnette interviewed about his new book:

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Registered: 07-15-2010
Wed, 09-15-2010 - 6:15pm
Funny! Sent that to my college aged daughter earlier today!

>>Luck is what you call it when preparation meets opportunity<<
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Wed, 09-15-2010 - 7:14pm
The agency did find out the medical problem that had made my life miserable. My contention is because the federal money goes to the state they have no incentive to do right by the individual. Whose ambitions are not available in-state. Nor in my case the Luddite that was/is the head when they lost funding dropped almost everyone Thanks to a idiot congress.
Employment is based on technological skills and global reach,Being bound to what is local is too restrictive when moving is an option(but not to force one to a place they hate)
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Wed, 09-15-2010 - 7:34pm

(it would have been very convenient for me to sit on my duff, complain that rich kids had opportunities I did not, whine about the need for a "government program" to create the perfect cradle to grave life for me. )

I heard a staggering statistic today on talk radio.

47% of people in America get some form of government money (Social security, disability, unemployment, etc)

45% of Americans pay NO taxes at all.

Hmmmm......I think it is safe to say that we have already created a "nanny state". Clearly from some of the comments on this isn't "nanny" enough.

I was much like you with my education. Worked hard....worked in HS to save for college, worked through college. My parents were not rich....not by a long shot...however we always had food on our table and clothes on our backs. We never took vacations...except to visit Grandma. I never went to camp and was always irritated at people asking me to give money so some kid could go to camp.

I worked as soon as I was able. My parents couldn't afford riding lessons for me, so I called every stable that I could ride my bike to and asked if I could clean their stalls in exchange for riding. I had a plan for myself and took all necessary steps to make sure I succeeded.

College was the worst time of my life. It was hard and I didn't have the "safety net" of mommy and daddy bailing me out if I partied too much and got kicked out. It was literally sink or swim. It was a very stressful time for me.

I also chose my spouse very, very carefully. I wanted to find somebody with ambition and drive, like me., not some pot smoking, beer drinking, drop out who had an excuse for all his failings in life.

Things turned out fairly well for me.

Funny how chance favors the prepared in life, isn't it?

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Wed, 09-15-2010 - 7:45pm
And what makes you different from millions of other who did the same? You had 1 stroke of luck parents that instilled in you the mindset to achieve and strive. Many are not so lucky. They are told that they can't win and other balderdash. Other have parents who want their choices in life to be vindicated!
In today's world many older people are returning to work only to find that they are pushed to the low wage dept.
The only thing sure in the cradle to grave is taxes. Death thats the hindmost.
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Wed, 09-15-2010 - 10:25pm
Sounds like just more excuses. Poor, poor mommy didn't tell me I was pretty daddy didn't tell me I was a winner. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! So now I can rationalize being an abject failure. It's not my fault at's THEIR fault! By the way, I was living in a cave all my life and so I wasn't able to grasp the incredibly obvious when it hit me on the head...that you actually have to work to get what you want.
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Thu, 09-16-2010 - 12:24am

>>> First your profit is profit it does not have a liberal or Conservative label it is what it is profit.

The distinction is that conservatives see profits as evidence of a successful company that's contributing to the economy and providing a needed service...while liberals see profits as evidence that a company is evil and that those profits should be taken from the company that EARNED them and redistributed to people who didn't.

>>> Market wage and market prices are nonexistent.

Oops...there's one now! And there goes another one! Geeze...they're all over the place.

>>> Many businesses sell below market to gain market share. The pay some workers higher wages than the market to attract the best.
So those two adages fail!

Not at all. Of course there are market wages and market prices...that's why a trash collector isn't paid the same as a brain surgeon...and why a trash collector in Mississippi isn't necessarily paid the same as a trash collector in Los Angeles.

And, yes...some businesses sell SOME items BELOW market prices in order to attract business and increase their profits, when the customers who come in for the sale, also buy other goods at regular prices. It's a marketing "strategy." And the reason some people may be paid differently for the same job is probably related to experience, education, etc. A second grade teacher with 10 years experience is likely to be paid more than a second grade teacher with 3 years experience...but all things being equal, a second grade teacher in district A is likely paid a very similar wage to a second grade teacher in neighboring district B...because the market has set an approximate wage for second grade teachers in the area.

<< But your contention was, rather bizarrely, that college was "free"...which will come as a surprise to everyone else who actually pays for it.<<<<<

>>> Again the misunderstanding. Even in Europe there is not "FREE LUNCH". There never has been "free education". It is all paid by taxes and fees; or a combination or one or the other. In the tax paid educations currently Europe and Russia and some other countries do have tax supported educations that depending on the nation may not have other fees or costs. But still it is not free. I never said free education.

Yeah, you did...but now you want to hide behind "taxes and fees." Call your local college...they'll be happy to enroll you...when you pay the tuition.

>>> The contention that taxes pay for the education for your family is correct just make sure that you understand federal tax monies are there also.
So, what is your objection: You pay taxes you get services.

I, and other conservatives, have no problem paying a reasonable amount of our income for taxes to get services. What we object to is the government taking an UNreasonable amount of our income to give to someone else.

>>> Now what is this""redistributing the wealth."? Is it a misunderstanding of how a republic functions?

Not at all. It's exactly what it sounds like. It's taking money from those who earn it and giving it to those who don't. BTW, there's nothing in the definition of a "republic" that has anything to do with socialism or redistributing wealth.

>>> rogressive income redistribution evens the amount of income that individuals are permitted to receive, in order to correct the ineffectiveness of a market economy to remunerate based on the amount of labor expended by an individual. The objective of moderate income redistribution is to avoid the unjust equalization of incomes on one side and unjust extremes of concentration on the other sides. Today, income redistribution occurs in some form in most democratic countries, most commonly through income-adjusted taxes (in which the amount of tax paid is directly connected to one's income), some of which goes to fund welfare programs to assist the poor , or to all of society. Progressive income taxes are a widely used method of income redistribution. The difference between the Gini index for an income distribution before taxation and the Gini index after taxation is an indicator for the effects of such a taxation.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I don't have as much as I think I should give me some of the money THEY earned! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! The completely absurd liberal notion of redistributing wealth is a proven failure that kills enterprise, creates unsustainable costs, kills jobs and kills the economy...not surprising it's one of the foundations of the Democrat platform.

>>> All political and economic systems facilitate the transfer of wealth, including capitalism, communism and socialism ;

Transfer, yes...redistribute, no.

>>> however the favored method of redistribution varies from system to system. Some methods of redistributing wealth are welfare, nationalization and taxation.

Yes, those are the methods of the liberal nanny-government.

Please note: "All political and economic systems facilitate the transfer of wealth, including capitalism, communism and socialism"

Please note: Yes, those are the methods of the liberal nanny-government.

>>> So capitalism is not on your approved economic system list. Right?

Of course it is...was I unclear?

>> I can't speak for you, but the companies I've worked for have always provided pretty good insurance.<<<<

>>> Yeah right!(dripping with sarcasm) Hope you never have serious illness or accident! Then you will find how bad it is or read your policy very carefully!!!


>>> You do not like welfare good let's get rid of it and the concomitant laws Yea!

I'm all for VERY limited welfare...just as I'm all for limited unemployment and limited every other kind of "safety net"...unlike libs who consider them lifestyle choices.

<< And the liberal humans who wasted my tax dollars bailing them out and having the government control private business?<<<<<<

>>> Can you spell TARP!


>>> Congress because it allows the elections to be influenced by big money interests does not have the interests of the citizenry at large but those who are bit contributers Both prates are at fault!

Yeah...except that Congressmen aren't elected by "big money interests," they're elected by the citizenry...who, if they don't feel are having their interests represented are free to vote for someone else.

>>> Tort reform might have some difference but the costs will continue to rise.

Milk costs $4 a gallon...the cost of everything rises...especially when you're also paying for someone else to get it for free. Thanks, Obamacare!

>>> Only by governmental subsidy can the average wage earner hope to obtain state of the art medical-dental care.

Then they'd better learn to be happy with the crappy non-state of the art medical-dental care they've been receiving for know, the poor medical treatment that foreigners come here in droves to get.