CASTRO: Cradle To Grave NOT Working

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CASTRO: Cradle To Grave NOT Working
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Mon, 09-13-2010 - 4:18pm


Cuba to cut 500,000 gov't workers, reform salariesAP


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Thu, 09-16-2010 - 6:20pm
? what is your point?
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Thu, 09-16-2010 - 6:22pm
If you thought that was something wait to you study Greece's mess!!
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Fri, 09-17-2010 - 12:40pm
The point is, that with the exception of the Obama administration, governments around the world are moving away from cradle to grave socialism.
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Fri, 09-17-2010 - 3:34pm
I do not see that at all. What I do see is a president who does not know how to blow his horn and go an explain his ideas. Too intellectual and not enough emotion. Also In my opinion he should have tabled the Health care until he had more time in office. Too many people do not comprehend the long term good because we are in such a bad economic time. If the economy was booming then this would not be a big deal but since it and his policies are not presented in a way most can understand it is a mess. And poorly timed. Most presidents are not effective in the first two years.
Cradle to grave never envisioned the birth rate dropping. All the systems were based on increasing population. That is the otherwise illegal pyramid scheme. The reason it is illegal is the person at the top is taking from thousands below. That was the plan circa 1930's. The average man died at 45! Now the average is in the 70's. Women died much sooner childbirth being one of the main causes. The plan was based on those computations.
What is actually happening is that the populations of the developed countries is getting older and the birth rate is below even replacement. What was not factored is that as the population become more affluent they have less children on average.
The US has artificially kept the population growing by the restrictions on Abortion,and birth control.(yes there are restrictions just go to the other parts of the world to see!) This was part of the economic plan as the US by the world bank was to be a consumer economy.
What happens when people stop consuming? The house of card falls! Worse the technology has progressed to a point where less workers are needed. But the powers that are did not recognize or appreciate that this would happen. The catalyst was the housing bust. That could have been prevented by strict loan controls. Now many people are paying for houses that are worth less than when they bought. Because houses were touted as investment rather than homes,people have painted themselves into a corner and are not consuming!
Jobs are disappearing do now we have the Roman Empire's problem.
Too many people not enough jobs. The cost of living has risen too high for people to live on minimum wage. The method of reducing cost are not being explored. There is a part of the American psych that is me,me,me and has no empathy for anyone else that is not just like me.
The old American values have eroded to a point where they won't come back. The future: the idea that some how trickle down will work is the ignorance of how the economy is working. Because manufacturing is no longer the mainstay there is less need for
workers. Less need more unemployed. More unemployed less consumption;less consumption lower profits,lower profits higher cost
of doing business,equals lower earnings,lower earnings,less dividends,less dividends,less investment,an so on.
There is no one way that will succeed. The tax code can be used to fix many of these problems but to the sound bite generation it requires concentration. For instance we could revert to the ires code of 1972 which was about 70% at the highest BUT to avoid paying required direct investment in franchises etc many who started realized if they combined they could have ever lower tax bill but the bottom line socially that to do so meant hiring Refer to Ben stein's book Ludes.
The Roman failed to diaspora the citified population into the other parts of the Empire. Today that is not possible. Higher income person are not trapped as they have the financial resources to move away to other places. The rest are stuck.
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Mon, 09-20-2010 - 1:47pm


Analysis: Swedish rout highlights European socialist crisis



PARIS | Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:33am EDT



PARIS (Reuters) - The crash of Sweden's long-ruling Social Democrats to their worst defeat since 1914 highlights the decline of socialist parties in much of Europe, drained by social change, economic crisis and the rise of new issues.



The re-election of a center-right Swedish government for the first time in modern history and the entry of a hard-right anti-immigrant party into parliament show how far the times have changed, even in social democracy's north European heartland.



How the center-left should respond, and whether it can regain the ascendancy in Europe at a time when loyalties are shifting across the political spectrum, are now being fought out in internal party tussles in Britain and France in particular.



In Sweden as in Germany, France, Denmark or the Netherlands, the main party of the center-left has hemorrhaged votes in all directions -- to the hard left, the ecologist Greens, the populist far right but also to mainstream conservatives.



"Social democracy comes across as a victim of the crisis, when it should appear as a refuge or a hope after years of neo-liberal excess," French political scientist Laurent Bouvet wrote earlier this year.



Technological change and globalization have shrunk the traditional industrial working class and the trade unions, made jobs more precarious and thrown up new issues such as climate change, population aging, immigration, obesity and drugs.



The mainstream left is torn between trying to reconnect with a lost popular electorate and reaching out to an aspiring new class in the knowledge economy.



Swedish Social Democratic leader Mona Sahlin alienated some centrist supporters by agreeing to a formal coalition with the ex-communist Left party -- a move that the German Social Democratic Party (SPD) continues to eschew.



ACCOMPLICE?



In countries such as Britain, France and Germany, where the center-left was in government in the early 2000s, it is regarded by many voters as having been a zealous accomplice in financial deregulation and economic liberalism.



Rising income inequality gave a hollow ring to the left's proclaimed ambition to redistribute wealth.



Now that most European countries are burdened with high deficits and debt mountains due to the financial crisis, the "big government" left is not seen as offering a credible answer to the question of where and how to shrink the state.



In many countries, public employees are the biggest bloc of socialist party members and constitute a brake on reform.



Socialists' long-standing support for European unification, religious tolerance and integrating immigrants has made them vulnerable to right-wing populists like the Sweden Democrats, Geert Wilders' Dutch Freedom Party or France's National Front.



These dilemmas are the backdrop to the choice of a new leader by Britain's opposition Labor Party this week, and of a presidential candidate by the French Socialist party next year.



In Britain, the choice is between sticking to the market-friendly New Labor ideology that marked Tony Blair's decade in office from 1997, or shifting to the left to try to win back disenchanted working class and public sector voters.



"We need to become 'effective state' social democrats, not 'big state' social democrats," Roger Liddle, one of the thinkers behind the New Labor project, said in a speech last week.



Former foreign secretary David Miliband embodies Blairite continuity, while his younger brother Ed, former cabinet minister Ed Balls and left-wing stalwart Diane Abbott offer varying degrees of the latter approach.



GREENS RISING



In France, the Socialists face a potential three-way choice between a social-liberal (International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn), an old-style socialist (current party leader Martine Aubry), and a left-populist (defeated 2007 presidential candidate Segolene Royal).



Aubry and Royal have vowed to reverse President Nicolas Sarkozy's pension reform, which pushes back the retirement age from 60 to 62 and makes many work until 67 for a full pension. Strauss-Kahn says retirement at 60 cannot be a "dogma" when people are living ever longer.



An ecologist list ran neck-and-neck with the French Socialist party in last year's European Parliament elections, siphoning off so-called Bobo voters (the bohemian bourgeois), while ex-communists and Trotskyists split another 10 percent.



In Germany, the Greens are snapping at the heels of the opposition SPD in opinion polls and may get a chance to lead a regional state government for the first time next year.



But the SPD has also lost support to the hardline Left party among working class and elderly voters who felt betrayed by its reduction of unemployment benefits and extension of the retirement age while in government over the last decade.



Where socialists are still in office, in Spain, Portugal and Greece, they risk alienating their core electorate by having to implement austerity measures mandated by the IMF and the European Union in exchange for financial support.



Only Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou has managed to retain his lead in opinion polls so far despite eye-watering spending cuts -- perhaps because his conservative opponents made such a shambles of running public finances until last year.



(additional reporting by Patrick Lannin in Stockholm; Editing by Kevin Liffey)

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Wed, 09-22-2010 - 9:53pm

The taxes in Sweden are at 64% but the parties are not what they were as change has happened.
"technological change and globalization have shrunk the traditional industrial working class and the trade unions, made jobs more precarious and thrown up new issues such as climate change, population aging, immigration, obesity and drugs."
The Greens are powerful in Europe And the manufacturing work force is declining. Immigration is a big issue as the "guest workers" from different cultures are causing unrest.
Such is the case with Irish Citizenship:
""The effect of the amendment was to prospectively restrict the constitutional right to citizenship by birth to those who are born on the island of Ireland to at least one parent who is (or is someone entitled to be) an Irish citizen. Those born on the island of Ireland before the coming into force of the amendment continue to have a constitutional right to citizenship. Moreover jus soli primarily existed in legislation and it remained, after the referendum, for parliament to pass ordinary legislation that would modify it. This was in fact done by the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act 2004 (the effects of which are detailed above). It remains, however, a matter for the legislature and unrestricted jus soli could be re-established by ordinary legislation without a referendum.""

Sound familiar?
Vat is the tax that the French obtain 50% of the national tax income. So tis is a problem when that is not collected.
All countries are in some sort of struggle. There are so many changes that it will be a while to see which ideas work and those that do not.
No one system is sustainable because the climate that brought forth that ideology will cease to exist in time. Flexibility is very important as in stability.
In the US the unstable economic situation is the cause for many citizens fear and upsetment. It can be said most people want to go to work and come home. Although many envy the lifestyle of the rich many are not willing to undergo the rigor to make it happen.
That leads to another problem. Economies are not static they are dynamic. Change comes with the territory. The wish for stability is not doable. Government can help to ward of negative effects of those in fixed incomes but it cannot do everything. Nor can any one ideology flex enough to meet the constant change.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_citizenship

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