HLs don't always want the truth :-(

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HLs don't always want the truth :-(
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Wed, 09-26-2012 - 2:47pm
Well, I guess I survived the ML weekend from hell. I'm still married, and DH didn't file for divorce...yet. I don't know, maybe I'm being over dramatic about this. This is how it went down:

Saturday AM-

He initiates, I refuse because I have aunt flo visiting. He says, "you always tell me that as an excuse. We used to work around it". I say "I have cramps, and I am not in the mood". Things come to a head with him saying that I never make time for it.

I figured, ok now is the time to tell the truth. I tell him, "I am not attracted to you as I used to be. You let yourself go, you dont't take care to look good and you won't stop smoking like I asked you to over and over again. It is ruining your teeth. It affects your breath. I know I have my problems and stretch marks, but I've lost weight and I invited you to join me but you call it nagging. This is the result."

Well he didn't want to hear that, he wants me to agree to work on it. I told him the truth, he still wants to be kept in the ML "lala land" of empty promises. I was so tired of lying and having this hanging over my head all of the time. We are on a 2 month dry spell.

The truth hurts but I am tired of hurting him as well as myself with lies.
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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 1:24pm
As usual I agree with Mol. Communication is necessary but not sufficient. Communication uncovers, it does not create. If there is an underlying area of mutual acceptability, it would be a shame if lack of communication failed to uncover it. Whether it helps the couple when comunication uncovers an absence of such overlap will depend on the couple.

When you see it coming, duck!

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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 1:55pm

And if your spouse is out for revenge, clearly communicating your wants and needs can actually give them information so that they may more effectively exact that revenge.

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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 2:54pm
Mol, the ML started after the effects of the smoking. This was when I started to feel like I was not being listened to, we used to have sex consistently on the weekends. Communication is great, but what if one partner does not take into account what is being said and considers it nagging?

I have my faults too, I'm not denying that, and I always wanted sex less than him, but my desire was lessened due to these issues. My question is this, should a person give sex to their partner regardless of what else is going on in the relationship?
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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 4:40pm
Dwifey, in my opinion sex should be openly negotiated and agreed upon like anything else. If you aren't interested in providing sex, then the discussion of some other outlet should be on the table, just as if you weren't going to cook anymore, other means of acquiring food should be available.....

Of course in most circles I'm considered a freak, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 4:45pm
>>>>> My question is this, should a person give sex to their partner regardless of what else is going on in the relationship? <<<<<

My answer: if your partner wants it, yes, you should. Full stop. When you can't do that anymore without feeling intolerable resentment, time to leave.

And of course, I am not talking about one or a few instances. But over months and years, yes, you should either be providing sex on a regular basis to a partner who desires sex even if you are rarely or never in the mood for it for yourself, or you should allow your partner to seek sex elsewhere. Otherwise, you are saying to your partner "I know you aren't getting what you want from me out of this relationship, and I will not tolerate your getting it from someone else, but I want you to stay with me so I can get what I want from you out of this relationship." And that is not loving.

Neither is it loving to settle for something like: I know I'm not giving you what you want from me, but you aren't giving me what I want either, so we're even.

Not suggesting I live up to this aspirational goal with respect to the non-sexual aspects of our relationship. But as I have said many times, anyone who chooses to model their behavior on mine is a fool.

When you see it coming, duck!

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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 4:56pm
Oh, and I wanted to point out that I agree with your idea that prompted this thread. I agree that many HLs do not want to hear the truth.

I don't want to hear the truth. The truth is my wife finds me unattractive. Physically and emotionally. I don't have a hot bod. I don't make enough money. And I'm not "all that" in bed.

I know all that. But I still don't want to hear the words from her. How could I have sex with her after she asid the words. As it is, we can pretend that there is hope and we can keep trying to make it better. But if she admitted that it is hopeless, that might create a wall I couldn't scale.

When you see it coming, duck!

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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 8:45pm
I think I opened a Pandora's Box by saying the words out loud. As it stands now, he knows that when I consent to sex that I'm doing it without desire. He prefers that I want it as much as him. I did tell him that he can go outside the relatioship to get some, we even discussed swinging. But nothing materialized as of yet, at least nothing I know of.

Sometimes I wish I didn't say anything...
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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 8:45pm
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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 8:50pm
Hold, I think I opened a Pandora's box by saying the words. Dh is like you, he finds it difficult to have sex knowing how I feel.

Miranda, we discussed opening the relationship, even swinging. But nothing materialized as far as I know. He is scared of STDs, and he doesn't want to bring others in. He wants me to desire him like I used to.

Writing this post is breaking my heart...
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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 9:16pm
Dwifey i know exactly how you feel and you can not "fix" it without his cooperation. If nothing will satisfy him except an exact re creation of what used to be then you both are in for a long heart wrenching haul.