The British Perspective...

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The British Perspective...
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Fri, 10-09-2009 - 1:24am

These two excerpts are from a NHS male health website which I copied about two months ago. I cannot give the link because I didn't save it - I'm sorry. But it gives answers to British males (and probably many females) about circumcision, in a straightforward manner which exemplifies the way we view the subject. I have intentionally underlined some sections because they are relevant to our debate and the subjects we have discussed:


"Q. I would like to have my baby boy circumcised as I feel it would be "more hygienic"? Can you tell me the pros and cons?


A. Routine circumcision in boys is not recommended for medical reasons. Circumcision is fashionable in the U.S.A. but the incidence of complications, including death, outweigh the supposed advantages avoiding such problems as cancer of the penis. Cancer of the penis is virtually unknown in those who wash regularly. A circumcised penis is no exception.

Often in early childhood the foreskin will not retract over the glans. This is normal at birth and the foreskin will gradually be able to be retracted in the first five to eight years of childhood. There are very few medical indications for circumcision and the only real one is when there is great fibrosis of the foreskin which is exceedingly rare.

Balanitis (infection under the foreskin) is not an indication for circumcision. The main reason for circumcision in this country is on religious grounds rather than medical.


Reversal of circumcision


Q. I was circumcised as a baby but now I want to re-grow my foreskin. Is this possible?


A. You are not alone in wanting the circumcision reversed. Requests for foreskin reconstruction, as it is called, is not at all uncommon, especially in America where very many more babies are circumcised than in the UK. There are two main reasons for men to request foreskin reconstruction, one physical the other psychological. On the physical side, following circumcision the glans of the penis will become less sensitive and a man may want foreskin reconstruction to reverse this. Although increased sensitivity of the glans has been reported following foreskin reconstruction, I am not at all sure whether this occurs in all men who have this procedure. On the psychological front, some men who were circumcised when infants feel they were mutilated without their consent and develop a feelings of resentment and frustration. They feel their body is incomplete and that their penis may not be so attractive to a partner. They may become fixated on such feelings, which become intrusive on their daily life.

Foreskin reconstruction is possible. It is accomplished either by skin grafting undertaken by a plastic surgeon or by a process known as tissue expansion in which the skin covering the shaft of the penis is progressively stretched over the glans. Tissue expansion is a slow process, involving hanging small weights on the skin and takes between 2 and 4 years to accomplish.

The first step would be to discuss the problem with your doctor who may refer you, in the first instance, to a psychiatrist with a special interest in body image problems or to a urologist. Only in exceptional circumstances is foreskin reconstruction by plastic surgery available on the NHS."


Note the term 'fashionable', because that's all it is: sadly, an enduring fashion with little or no thought or understanding of its consequences for little boys in the US.


Note: not a mention of UTIs or STDs....


British boys so rarely suffer a UTI, it's a talking point among parents here, if it happens! Why are American boys so susceptible to urinary infection that the only way their doctors believe they can rid the infection is to circumcise them... as if circumcision would have any effect at all?


British boys cannot contract a Sexually Transmitted Disease - unless they are sexually abused. Are American boys immune from sexual abuse??  (A rhetorical question that needs no answer - but it makes my point.)


The very notion of male infant circumcision as a cure-all for perceived genital problems is an anathema in the UK. And the current media hype in the USA to have every boy circumcised because of a flawed experiment in a part Africa with ADULT males, beggars belief!


I have donated, financially, as much as I can afford to 'Intact America', which was formed by American parents in the wake of media pressure to turn the clock back to the dark age of Victorian myths. My heart, my hope and my optimism endure in the face of the AAP, et al.


A British perspective, but shared by every advanced nation in this world of ours... bar the USA.


Christopher


 


"Education is the discovery of our own ignorance." Will Durant


"Almost any manmade phenomenon is explained by tradition, inertia - or both." Anon


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"Education is the discovery of our own ignorance.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 08-07-2008
Fri, 10-09-2009 - 8:00am
Thanks for the Islay it is amazing to see the differences in response.
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Registered: 03-15-2005
Fri, 10-09-2009 - 10:56am
Very enlightening, thank you for posting it.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 08-07-2008
Fri, 10-09-2009 - 12:24pm
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Registered: 07-02-2009
Fri, 10-09-2009 - 8:21pm

"Thanks for that Islay it is amazing to see the differences in response."


And just as amazing for us to see the dichotomy between two 'first world' countries; two nations divided by a common foreskin, in fact.


Christopher


"Education is the discovery of our own ignorance." Will Durant


"Almost any manmade phenomenon is explained by tradition, inertia - or both." Anon


CL - Circumcision Debate


"Education is the discovery of our own ignorance.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-02-2009
Fri, 10-09-2009 - 8:24pm

Yes, Kristi. Are you supporting Intact America, by the way?


Christopher


"Education is the discovery of our own ignorance." Will Durant


"Almost any manmade phenomenon is explained by tradition, inertia - or both." Anon


CL - Circumcision Debate


"Education is the discovery of our own ignorance.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-15-2005
Fri, 10-09-2009 - 8:38pm
I have not given them money, but I have participated in their letter requsts, petitions.

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"Belief is not required.  Once you know this story

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-15-2009
Sat, 10-10-2009 - 8:10am

Note the term 'fashionable', because that's all it is: sadly, an enduring fashion with little or no thought or understanding of its consequences for little boys in the US.


Christopher, thank you for this. I find the 'British perspective' so logical compared to the U.S. view as exemplified by the quote above.


Although, I do not believe that the circumcision rate in Britain ever got close to the high seen in the U.S. it was still very common.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-02-2009
Sat, 10-10-2009 - 8:58pm

"I have not given them money, but I have participated in their letter requsts, petitions.


CL - Circumcision Debate


"Education is the discovery of our own ignorance.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-02-2009
Sat, 10-10-2009 - 11:15pm

What an interesting reply! Thank you.


My first observation is to suggest that the reason you were aware of a predominance of circumcised white boys (you didn't say if they were British or not, but I assume they were) is because their parents were among the aristocracy or upper classes. The British Empire was forged and perpetuated by the ruling upper classes in those days - a distant world of exclusive superiority and pervasive power. Their boys, infant or older, were circumcised for no better reason than a mark of their 'class' and future standing. The absence of anaesthetic and its subsequent pain was an acquired mix of Victorian punishment for the sin of masturbation and a badge of British valour.


I, my twin brother and


CL - Circumcision Debate


"Education is the discovery of our own ignorance.

iVillage Member
Registered: 12-17-2007
Sun, 10-11-2009 - 12:16am
Christopher, I haven't got active with Intact

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