Some Questions. Please help if possible.

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Registered: 06-14-2005
Some Questions. Please help if possible.
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Fri, 09-09-2005 - 1:01pm

Hi.
I'm am new to this board. I am of Christian faith, and though I do not attend church as often as I believe I should, I have a personal relationship with the Lord, and try to read my bible every night before bed.

But I have some questions:

What are your thoughts on Out of Body experiences during sleep? Have you ever felt paralyzed? Or, have you ever felt completly conscious (even with your eyes open) yet you couldn't move or speak...nothing. This has happened to me on a few occasions and it is very scary. I've been able to see my surroundings, the time changing on the clock...but I can't move. It's almost as though I cannot breathe either. I was speaking to my aunt about this yesterday and she told me that shes heard this and she believes sometimes when we sleep our spirt leaves our body for a bit. And during that period when they are making the transition back into our body, we wake up, and because we aren't completly whole, we feel this sense of 'paralysis'momentarily. What do you guys think?

Also, on a more disturbing note, on one occasion I awoke in the night, and I am completly certain I was NOT sleeping nor was I dreaming. I was laying on my back, my eyes were open and I couldn't move, scream, nothing. It also felt DISTINCTLY as though there was a hand ( i could feel the shape and characterists of a hand -fingers -palm) a big hand, pushing my head down into the pillow. I couldn't see anything, but I definitly felt it. This happened quite awhile ago now, but I was speaking to my cousin about this yesterday and she claimed the same thing has happened to her, except instead of a hand on her face it was more of a pressure over her whole body. She told me that she spoke of it with people at church and they claimed that all that this is the devil trying to kill you. Either the devil or another bad spirit.

Again, what are your views on this?
Has anything like this every happened to any of you?

I'm sorry to be bringing less positivity to this board, but I am very curious to know.

Thanx a bunch.

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Registered: 04-22-2003
Fri, 09-09-2005 - 5:22pm

Bitterthorns, Welcome to the Faith and Spirituality board!


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Registered: 03-26-2003
Fri, 09-09-2005 - 5:48pm

Hi Bitterthorns!

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Registered: 03-30-2005
Fri, 09-09-2005 - 9:57pm
Had some of the same experiences. Leaving the body and walking around different cities when about age 14 ,15 never told mother or anyone did not seem out of ordinary. Now also a 13 year old decease girl would sit on the be, my brother would see her walk down the hall way and dissapear etc. We did not know enough to talk to her ahnd ask her if she wanted to go home. You can and it works plead the blood of Lord Christ Jesus and get immediate relief. Now here is something else that I would not mention till this year and want my name kept out of this (also some other events )
Where should one start to get a message across. This may appear strange to you thereader. Information to start with. On Art Bells program --recently information came out about a man sensing danger from a bear. He ran up a tree and found himself in an other tree watching his dense body torment the bear. A source of information from a book. Then some day,when the proper life has developed the requisite cleavage between the higher and lower parts of the vital body, there is a supreme effort of the will, a spiral motion in many directions takes place, and the aspirant stands outside his dense body. He looks at as another person. the door of his prision house has been opened. ------Finding this explanation provided this writtrer with a much needed confirmation and satisfaction for what you are about to read. many times pondering over the situation from speaking about it. It is now placed in your hands. (the writter wants his name left out, please honor that) ---------Driving down the highway alone in the auto. the individual while traveling sudenly found himself sitting in the passenger seat and enjoying the ride with extra distant vision looked to his left and noticed that his dense body was driving the auto.Nothing seemed strange or unnatural.-------What a wonderful relief to having found the explanation. so here is some more info to pounder. meditate,contemplate, and adoration.----A dense body,a vital body, a desire body. Spirit ,divine,life, human--You are thus equiped. there are also those without the human spirit,and this will not be mentioned now.--- now more reading stated The mind and the desire body frustrate the design of the spirit by taking control and as they lack the spirit's wisdom, both spirit and body suffer.(this explains in part some of the serious decisions made.) ----The intutional impulse, which is always good, because it is drawn directly from the fountain of Cosmic Wisdom and Love. This is all done as quickly that the heart has control before the slower reason has had time to take in the situation as it were
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Registered: 11-11-2004
Sat, 09-10-2005 - 6:10am

Hi and welcome, thanks for the link, Bink! Ha!
Don't be too fearful because, although I don't believe the site mentions that stress and negativity are a contributing factor to sleep paralysis, they are. The more you fear the more you'll have. I've had them where something was touching me, talking, balls and chains, I even called the landlord in the middle of the night because I heard scuffling of feet going from my bed to the cellar door. It's a physical thing and we feed it with stress.
The medical community calls it sleep paralysis, the spiritualists call it astral catalepsy, which isn't even a word. You can astral travel, but it's a different feeling upon entering the physical body.
I just say...'In Jesus' name I rebuke you' and it's gone. You can't say it out loud, that's part of the problem, your voice box is paralized as well. Just think it and it works the same. It's scary, I know, but realize it's your body's way of telling you you are stressed out.
Sylvia Browne writes of it, saying it's the spirit trying to re-enter the body. I am not saying we do not travel, our souls leave every night, but no one is trying to harm you, that's of the mind. The adrenaline produced by the fear is what shocks you out of it.

Betsy

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Registered: 06-14-2005
Sat, 09-10-2005 - 9:01pm

Thanx so much! All this info is really useful!

Thanks for the welcome!

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Registered: 03-30-2005
Sun, 09-11-2005 - 12:37am
THE CHAINS PART OF YOUR MESSAGE IS INTERESTING. iT REMINDS ME OF ALKATRAZ THE PRISON ISLAND OFF OF CALIFORNIA BAY WHERE SOME ENTER AND SENSE THESE TYPE OF THINGS. THERE IS ALSO A CONDITION WHERE ONE ANIMATES THE IMPRESSIONS LEFT IN ROOMS OR BUILDINGS. AND MANY PEOPLE FELT IT NECESSARY TO MOVE TO ANOTHER LOCATION. OTHER INVESTIGATIONS IN SOME CASES TRACE ACTUAL EVENTS HAVE TAKEN PLACE THERE. THE LAND LORD MAY NOT WANT TO REVEAL OR MAY NOT BE AWARE. WOULD A NEIGHBOR KNOW. HAS THERE BEEN REPEATED INCIDENTS.
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Registered: 11-11-2004
Sun, 09-11-2005 - 7:13am
Episodes of SP and what happens during them are caused by stress and fear in our heads.
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Registered: 06-14-2005
Sun, 09-11-2005 - 12:23pm

Well, to answer irakrause's (post 7 i think) question about there being precedence with this issue, no, we live in a house, and though the agent who sold it to us is a family friend, i doubt anyone asks those type of things.

However, other strange things happened to me I believe, but lately, I've been on a mission to think positively and rationalize better instead of jumping to supernatual explanations. But when I was younger (maybe 9/10) there was a time when I had watched two very scary movies in close succession. For months afterwards, in my room I would always awake around 2 or 3 in the morning, and I would just cry. (and I know 3 in the morning is an unholy hour). I would be just overwhelmed with fear, even though i didn't know what I was afraid of. For awhile my father comforted me ( lol because what I would sometimes do was to go into my parents room and just stand beside him until he woke up -FREAKED HIM OUT ) but afterwards my mother got impatient with me and wouldn't let him come stay with me, or even come see me. So when I would wake up, I would run and turn on my light, and just sit there in the night and cry. For months this happened and I soon got sick, maybe because of lack of sleep...maybe because of something else... So I'm not sure how long went by, but eventually my dad decided he would sleep in my room and i would sleep with my mom so he could see what was up. (Now, we are jamaican, and island ppl are very belivable and spiritual ...so it's up to you what you want to take from what I say next: i told this to my cousin, and she thinks it was fabricated to make me feel better...but now that I remember, my father didn't confess any of this to me until years later...so that can't be true) So, whatr my father told me was that he also awoke in the night, but I remember him saying that it felt like a dream. And he said he sensed a strong presence in the room. He felt as though he was struggling with something, and also that my door began to shake violently as if someone was trying to open it, or, fitting to keep it closed from the other side. Then, that stopped and he heard something run quick and heavy down the stairs and slam the front door.
And the night following that night I was able to sleep fine in my room alone. He didn't tell me anything.
A few weeks later I remember us being at home-depot ( I don't know if you americans have that in the US, its a hardware kind of place) and we wer leaving. It was winter, and we were driving out and my dad started saying, 'whoa, that guy must be cold'. I kept looking around and didn't see anyone the entire time. He kept saying that there was a guy on a bench with no coat or anything, sitting alone, and how he must have been freezing. He even cares so much as to drive back around into the parking lot once we had reached the street and he said the man was gone, and he couldn't see him anywhere. When I was a little older, he confessed to me that he thought that was the 'thing' or 'man' that was in my room. I don't know.
I'm not saying you have to believe all that, because I was young. Now that I'm older I should talk to my dad about it, but I think I do believe it.

Now, fastforward to the 'hand incidence' that I spoke of to you in the original post. After this happened I spoke to my dad about it, and I told him that I wanted to research the history of our house. At first he seems opposed to me putting effort into that, then, he told me that soon after we moved into the house, he was speaking to our old italian neighbor who told him that in the 60's a german family lived in our house. Supposedly, the man of the house was crazy and hung himself in our garage.

Now, I've learned that when people die, people die and they don't come back as evil spirits. I've learned that when these kind of things make apparitions, it is only a demon or the devil taking its form because he knows you will believe in that. If he came in the form of himself, whatever he may be, it would be far too easy for us to know that it is him, and to stay away. He knows are fears and when we are weak, but when we have Jesus we can fight this.

Anyway, this is what has happened in my house. In no way a I dismissing what I've learned from your comments though, I am beliving in Sleep Paralisis and prepareing myself for this situation again. Thanx again for all you r useful help.

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Registered: 03-30-2005
Sun, 09-11-2005 - 12:55pm
Thank you for your response. And I agree with you in this matter..The second last paragraph is right.Our prayers go out to you and regard you as a precious one.. HERE IS SOME INFORMATION THAT I HEARD OR READ YEARS AGO.Not asking myself or you to believe this. It was presented that a person deceased for six days may contact you.(then after that a demon will pose in their place) Like Arthur Godfrey while on his boat His Father at the time of Death came aboard and he knew then His Father passed away. It is also said wait six days before creamation for according to a British study it takes six days for the soul to leave the body? Also in one mystery school they say when a person takes their own life , they are not allowed to go on till the normal life span is completed.(and the intensity is greater with no body to functuion in) And there is stories of drunks when deceased will enter a tavern and try to enter another persons body to enjoy the drink, it fails. These are things I do not say I believe them. And it is said some do not realize that they are dead and try to re enter their body. And therefore embalming keeps the body preserved longer. Where in normal decay the person will realize the body is no longer available. Others when passed away may be greeted to be taken on. Again good to hear from you irakrause@netzero.com
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Registered: 12-23-2003
Sun, 09-11-2005 - 8:28pm

Hi, Bitterthorns...


I agree with Bink.

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