Creation, Nature of the Soul, and Jesus

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Creation, Nature of the Soul, and Jesus
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Sat, 01-21-2006 - 11:48pm

I'm going to post a thesis on this subject, it will probably take most of the weekend, off and on. My sources will be, in no particular order, the Bible, the Christian theologian Origen, Plato, the Edgar Cayce Readings, the Paul Solomon Readings, and the Gnostic Gospels. Some will be cut and paste from readings, other web sites, and some will be my own thoughts.

I'm going to ask anyone who might have questions, comments or brickbats to save them till I'm done, I'll let you know when I am, since this will take a while and I'll have to do it as I get time (and maybe no one will even notice or care )

dablacksox


Cynic: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.---Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.

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Sun, 01-22-2006 - 12:33am

Solomon Reading on Materiality

"What is Our Greatest Lesson to Learn on the Earth?"

Source: And even in this day, so many centuries have gone by, and there are so many on your plane that would cry out for the understanding of these disciplines and do not understand those stories that have been given from the beginning.

There were bodies made available to those Sparks of Life that they might understand those disciplines of manifestation and creation, those disciplines of polarity and magnetism. There are those things that you have come into this world to learn concerning balance and the use of these instruments, you call human bodies, that have been given you that.

There are still even in this day the attitudes, the tendencies of being caught up in the desires of the flesh, even as that first day when those sons of God became sons of man and sons of beasts, and were caught even up in those bodies that were not perfected for the use of man. They were intrigued, even in that day, with the pleasures that might be felt through those divine senses, those things that you know as nerves, that were given as they took on the use of those mechanical instruments. Those things that you know as sensory devices, that even in this day you have. And now, they are much a curse to man. How much you are bound and chained as you walk upon this plane of Earth.

And even in this day, you consider those things that you have been advised to overcome, to understand the operation and to subject them to your will rather than being subjected to them. You cry out as if you were being asked to give up this or that, or being punished or being deprived of something worthwhile.

Can you not understand that you are children of God, not children of man? You are caught up in the bodies of beast. Can you not understand that as was given, even in that day, by the one John, the Beloved, as he tried to help you understand the vibrations of man or the vibrations of the beast. (Book of Revelation)

Will you not understand the symbology that was given even then? Can not you understand and even conquer these bodies for a short period of time that there might be the conquering of those centers of energy, those seals that cause the child of God to be caught up in the temple of flesh? If those seals were open, would you not be loose, would you not be made free? Do you not know that those seals are truth? And if you would understand the truth, each of these truths and put them into operation, would you not be made free?

If you were not caught up in the self, would you not understand these truths and even loose them that you might be turned away from the human body and see it as an instrument, a mechanical device, that might be given for the operation of God, even Jesus Christ, in the Earth? And would you not understand His second coming?

Will you not know that if you would conquer the seven chakras, the seven centers, those seven seals, those seven energy devices that hold you sealed in this body, will you not understand that if you were freed therefrom, that even the son of God might return in this day to His people. And this world might be loose from those problems that are so close in coming, those changes that you have looked forward to with wonder.

Those New Dispensations might come in that which you have referred to as the rnillenium might even begin in this day. But if there is not one among you who would give his Body that the Son of God might return, then look at your Earth and understand those things that will happen. For if these chakras in the human body were opened without that control of the Higher Self, or the Divine, would not this body be racked and even torn to pieces from not being able to except that energy that might flow through it?

Would this not happen, as well, with this Earth upon which you walk. If the Earth were given to the power, to the energy of the Son of God Himself, would you not see that those energies that have been caught up within be released. This Earth must be free from the chains of man and returned to the energy of God.

But if the Earth be not ready for those changes, then what would you see upon this Earth? As been given, that the sun will turn black as sackcloth of hair. Your moon, as has been given, will turn to dripping blood. Those men, those Saints, who have given themselves for the Gospel of Christ, will they not be turned loose from their chains. And those, even that this channel has seen, will they not be turned loose upon this earth, for have not they begged for opportunity to return to the children of men and tell them what it is like on the other side of the veil? Would not the veil be rent in twain, even as it was on the day that He died. And even as in that day, those Saints, those children who were not in the flesh were loosed from their graves, and would not those bodies be reassembled even in this day. And would not the grave and the sea give up their dead, and would they not walk this Earth free?

Now if you would see the graves opened, if you would see the dead walk, if you would see those who think they are alive begging for what they think is death, and if you would see those people on your planes crying to be loosed from the bonds of the flesh, then continue to be caught up in what you call pleasure and what you think you want from this life.

Now chose you this day whom you will serve, and if it will be flesh, then flesh, but if it would be Christ, then give yourselves to Him. Then, accepting the Truth, shall you not be made free?

dablacksox


Cynic: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.---Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.

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Sun, 01-22-2006 - 12:39am

Final Thoughts

Well, I don't expect everyone or anyone to agree with me here. But I do feel that what I posted answers several nagging questions that traditional Christian theology doesn't deal with in a satisfactory manner.

1). Why are we here?

The traditional teaching is that it's because of "original sin", that because of the actions of Adam and Eve God has condemned all of mankind to this veil of toil and tears, including those he is creating to this very day. This really makes little sense if one views God as all loving, a Being of Perfect Justice. Certainly subjecting children to the sins of the father, in this case Adam, is not the action of an all-loving God, but rather the actions of a very arbitrary God.

2). Why do some seemingly innocent people suffer such terrible violence?

Why, for example, might a seemingly innocent baby die in a plane crash, an earthquake, or any other catastrophe? Why would a loving and just God allow this to happen to an innocent?

A good explanation is that the innocent individual might be a soul who choses to endure this as a means of utilizing the suffering involved to free themselves from excessive attachment to the material world. The choice to do this is the individual's. It's not some arbitrary assignment by God.

This is a Buddhist teaching as well, that suffering helps to free us from an excessive attachment to this life.

3) Why is there such a vast difference in talents and ability among people?

Why for example, can a 3 year old Mozart write a symphony while someone else can't carry a tune in a bucket? Why do some people have an innate engineering ability, or artistic ability? The idea that this is something developed in either a previous incarnation or somewhere else and carried it here certainly is a good explanation of this.

4). Why are some people born with innate fears? Fear of fire, water, wild animals, drowning, fear of close confinement or of being buried alive?

Again- the idea that these fears are holdovers from events that happened in a previous incarnation is a good explanation. Our attitudes, emotions and thoughts become part of us. The fear that an individual might feel before an airplane crash, for example, becomes a part of the individual and is carried over to a new incarnation until dealt with.

This is also why what Buddhists call *right thought* and *right attitiude* are so important, because these thoughts or attitudes are incorporated into us, into our very soul identity, as also are wrong attitudes and wrong ideas.

5). If knowledge and acceptance of Jesus as a personal savior are the requirements for salvation, why did God create so many individuals who have or who had no opportunity to hear this? And what happens to them? Are they saved anyway? Does this make God a God of *special rules* depending on the situation? This makes God a very arbitrary God, one created in man's image and likeness, as man is a very arbitrary creature. A better explanation is that while we might spend an incarnation in a situation where we were removed from the opportunity to hear the message, we used this incarnation to work on other issues, and then we waited for the opportunity to incarnate in a situation where we could know God to work on the issues that arise from that.

This leads into

6). Why has a perfect and loving God incorporated such wide disparities into His creation? Why are some of us born into luxury and material opportunity while others are born into poverty, or war, or disease? A good explanation is that we chose the situations of what we from this plane consider to be negative incarnations in order to grow and learn valuable soul lessons. It is possible that in the grand scheme of things we learn more from these situations than from a middle or upper class existence, and thus are drawn closer to God by what we from this plane see as a "negative incarnation".

From a Solomon Reading.

"Now understand, in the working of children it is not so much what is said, not so much what is done, but the thinking that which thou are that impresses children. For in these times, even as is taught in those classes conducted in this place, children of this age are receptive. Those minds that are becoming adjusted to operating through the human brain still, we find, on the borders of the veil, or operating on both sides, both within and without the body, and are receiving programs from all levels of thinking and vibration.

So it might be described that these little ones are psychic and some never completely make that transition from other planes into the physical body, and are considered retarded. Yet if you would know the vibration of the soul, of the mind itself, these may be brilliant. These may be masters, only operating from outside the physical vehicle. Such are placed here that you might love, that you might express love upon a being incapable, apparently, of returning that love. And such would be the ultimate challenge for developing love and would you pray on this plane for an opportunity to develop love in the ultimate? So you would ask that one be placed before you, a Mongoloid, a retarded child, one not capable of returning your love. In such a manner would you be given that challenge, that opportunity to develop the ability to love as He loves."

Anyway-I'm finished, you can fire away, of fire up the stake anyway. I'll try to answer questions as time permits.

I hope at least this causes anyone who read it to think, that counts for a lot.


dablacksox


Cynic: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.---Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.

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Sun, 01-22-2006 - 12:49pm
It will take me a while to read all this, I have started and read your final note. Thank you for all your work. Some things remind me of a course in miracles. I am of the belief about other lives, being here in what ever form it takes to learn what we need to learn. etc so what I have read so far I resonate with. I also thought of the book, " why do bad things happen to good people?" not because God made it happen, much is because of man and people think the angry God did it. Also we did it because it is what was chosen. I guess???? (:- ) I'll know better when I am on the other side. Love, leila
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Thu, 01-26-2006 - 8:41am

Hi.


I'm a student as well.

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Mon, 01-30-2006 - 6:55am

Thank you for taking the time posting these. Do you mind mentioning the sources and the authors...I would love to read it all in it's entirety. I do have the Course in Miracles and the Disappearance of the Universe by Gary Renard, most of Edgar Cayce, the Gnostic Gospels, The Way to the Kingdom, The Impersonal Life, but the Sox I've never heard of and a couple of others you spoke of. This is good reading and again, appreciated. Finally, something with some truth and substance. I think it's a Miracle you posted :)

Love,
Charliesap

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Mon, 01-30-2006 - 12:23pm

"but the Sox I've never heard of and a couple of others you spoke of. "

Sox is me-LOL. That indicates it's my own thoughts, much of it influenced by some of the gnostic gospels. Much of the Cayce material comes from the book "There is a River". Most of the Solomon material is from actual Solomon readings.

"This is good reading and again, appreciated. Finally, something with some truth and substance. I think it's a Miracle you posted :)"

Thanks. Most people find it too dense to wade through, it's gratifying that someone did read it. LOL

dablacksox


Cynic: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.---Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.

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Mon, 01-30-2006 - 5:52pm

Hahahaha....no wonder I have never heard of ya! That's funny.

I think it's deep reading but it makes more sense than my church ever did teaching fear.

Thanks again,
Betsy

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Tue, 01-31-2006 - 1:00am

There is the elder world,this world and the world to come.Thank you for your dedication in love and service. Adam and Eve were asked to and offered to come here to replenish the earth. Replenish means that. And mixing with those here (5 previous) they were the sixth , and the mixture became the seventh which we call human a kind of man or man kind but is not the MAN of Gods creation. Read Ponder here and also the goal of livngin, and then within. which I will post now, and if you can go to my profile and send me your writings will remburse you./////////////encourage you to study the 1 timothy interpetation. and here for your devotion and set your heart on the reality of being. from Ida M...the creature born o sex-force is not man, though having in him the potentialities of Being , and is the ground in which Christ works to grow his seed and to manifest the image and likeness of the Ideal. The Real Man is born, not of the will of the flesh ,nor of blood,nor of the will of man, but of God. This is to say that the operation of the laws of God in the organism of humanity brings forth spiritual being in their season of fulfilment, the will of the flesh being subjected to Divine Will at the appearing of Man . the body of the Holy Ghost is characterized in Scripture as the body of Jesus: it is the whole shadowy or outline of being. This body is not a disembodied spirit nor ghost of shadowy form, but is the identification of the essences of substance as spiritual being. .......... trust that you remain dedicated........with love and service may the (these) realizations come upon and in you.....///////////// not bound by materiality of either good or evil,....... but is enabled to overcome garvity with levity,.......... or the tendency of materiality with spirituality. ............. governed by levitation rather than by gravitation ........... governing authority vested in Christ rathe r than in the flesh ........... can appear or disappear in conformity with the desires of the ego............. the fourt dimensional consciousness of the new ////The goal of life is not marriage but love. Those who function God as love are
those who have finished their course in mortal love and marriage. These can
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race,and note with joy the activities that partake of a higher spirit of love.
Marriage fulfills itself to any ego when the male and female qualities of being
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for spiritual birth and resurection. These gain the righteous concepts fo Love
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the capacity of many precious ones to preform (even though some errors will happen)For these precious doers that do not allow ignorance to control both in life and death.///////It is a known and proven fact that that the processes of life are operative.The conflict that arises in spiritual birth ,identified at the inflow of spiritual energies,enables the ego to take conscious mastery over the mental ,soul, and physical forces,establishing as a result the purity of consciousness essential to function the Christ Seed. The Christ seed is the physical result of the Christed ideas realized as living principles of being. That is to say thatideas of Truth .actualized in words and acts, react to form the essences of spirit, the principle of form being in the will of man. (thank you precious ones) When the will ot thought, word, and act is conformed to the Truth,Divine Will is identified, by which the spiritual essences developed are formed as the nucleus of the body to be.sent by irakrause@netzero.com///////

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Wed, 05-17-2006 - 12:50pm
Bumping This.

dablacksox


Cynic: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.---Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.

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Thu, 06-08-2006 - 11:42am

Hi Sox,
Looks like you're looking for feedback on your post... I've read a bit of it, very interesting and well-expressed, but lots of stuff there! I had to print it out so I can read later and take time to digest.

You are primarily Gnostic in your beliefs, yes? Are you a student of ACIM?

If I had to label my "tendencies," I would say I am a Christian mystic with Gnostic leanings but also very influenced by Eastern (Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist) teachings. We would find a lot of common ground, I think.

I would like to hear more about your background and studies if you care to share.

Namaste,
~Nash~

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