Death with dignity? I support:

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Death with dignity? I support:
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Tue, 03-07-2006 - 10:45am

Death with dignity? I support:



  • doctor assisted suicide
  • being allowed to die by choice
  • disallowing the use of life sustaining equipment
  • pulling the plug
  • no medical intervention whatsoever
  • use life sustaining equipment
  • all medical interventions
  • other? Explain in a post


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iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 03-07-2006 - 4:45pm

Any one of the top four choices would work for me, but since it seemed the most open-ended I chose "being allowed to die by choice".

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Registered: 04-13-2003
Tue, 03-07-2006 - 5:06pm

I always felt, that if one puts a horse to sleep so that it won't suffer? Tis also what people should have.. I am thinking about situations like cancer towards the end.. or people who are nothing but vegetables..

Like that lady last time in the US? where the parents were fighting the husband.. I thought it was terrible all around.. I understand that a parent thinks, rather a vegetable child than a dead child, but was that in the interest of the parent? more? than of the lady?

Now, am studying about the side of the dimension where we go to, once we leave this life on this planet and am learning that if we help those that are in the last days of cancer or like that lady in the US? are equal to murder and the person who decides to have their life ended,due to cancer for instance.. that that is murder on the part of people who decide to put an end to a suffering of a person and if a person wants to end his/her own life that it is equal to suicide. And they have to live their lives all over again, to experience that for which a soul came to this life to learn and experience..

So now, am hesitating.. I still find it inhuman to let a person live and live and live and suffer in the process..
I once was a nurse in my younger years and that suffering was awful I felt then and still do.. So now, I can't decide what to do about this matter.
that old brush

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 03-07-2006 - 6:58pm
I will say medicines are better now, people do not have to be in pain. from what i have read suicide and murder are different than helping someone at the end of their life to die. I know there is the natural time, tell us what you are reading on this. Love, Leila
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 03-07-2006 - 10:37pm

I've think that if Dr. Kevorkian had quietly gone about his practice of assisting his terminal patients pass gracefully into the next realm, he wouldn't be sitting in Jackson State Prison.

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Registered: 04-13-2003
Tue, 03-07-2006 - 11:58pm

Tis not what I am reading this anywhere,Leila, but what I am learning in the course which I am taking.

This lady has a lifetime of experience. What she learned about life after death, was through channeling and her personal spiritguide. She is just passing on the information, which she and 29 other clairvoyants received at one and the same time, from a well know Israeli South African clairvoyant and channeller.

In the Netherlands, there is a law, against death assistant suicides.. Like for instance with people who are suffering from bi-polar disorders like cancer, aids, liver and kidney disease. Yet phycisians are able to help people die peacefully, assisted by them, in the above mentioned situations and they aren't punished nor persecuted and tis an overall excepted form of dying with grace and compassion.

I don't know what reasons are given, that the physicians aren't persecuted. The society there is very humane and sometimes, even over the years, I have had to stop and re-think the reasons for assisted suicides.

In general in Western Europe, people are a lot more tolerant in regards to assisted suicides and the use of marihuana for pain, than in North America.

I have seen people suffering greatly from cancer and I don't mean when I was a young student nurse either. but as a volunteer, driving for the Cancer Society in my region.

I have often thought, that if we are humane towards horses, our dogs and our cats, why can't we be that toward our fellowmen.

I still feel, that if we can be that, we should be able to do so for our fellowmen. Yet not too long ago, somebody whom I like very much and of which I knew a lot as a fellow sufferer from war trauma... he developed cancer and he had his life shortened by this assisted suicide. I hadn't known about this, so when I was informed of this choice of his, after his death. it realy realy realy shook me.. And I was off kilter for quite a while..

Tis one thing, reading about such issues in newspapers, magazines; following it on television. But when it pertains to somebody whom you know and even if you yourself are humane, to have an opinion is a totally different thing, compared to being confronted with such a decision of a dear and close friend or familymenmber.

I am not against it, but it has made me think.. What I learned how it is, in the life of us as souls.

For whichever way we are looking at it. Most of us, don't stop to think that what we are is: souls, living in a human body, living and experiencing human lives. But our real life is not in this world. This life is to experience the lessons, which we chose to learn in order to advance in the other dimension and to be ourselves of help to our fellow souls and their growth in their soul's life.

At least THIS is how I look at my life and those of the people around me. And then issues you encounter in your life, get a different perspective. At least they do to and for me.

It is what makes me tolerant in my thinking and my conduct towards my fellow men.. It makes me non-judgemental towards them and to do my best to understand the bigger picture.

As for instance the fact, that I have to live, to see my son, die of his liver disease and that for his situation, there is no help and I will have to see him suffer and burry in the near future.

That I might have no more than the one grandchild and that this child like myself, has to grow up without a father.

It can also help one to deal with problems on a different level.. As for instance the fact that the news of the wife of Christopher Reeves, Dana, died late last Monday night, of Cancer and her never having smoked even!

As I have read many times in the past, we do chose our parents and our lives, before we come to live on this planet,these lives of us. It does not negate the fact that first and foremost in most situations, I react like any other human being. but it does help me to get over things quicker and accept things in live in a different manner.

Am not saying that I expect others to agree with my point of view or how I view things in my or just in life;tis what I have learned through reading on this subject and it has for me, in my case, including my war trauma experiences, with which I have had to live all my life and the way the first 12 years of my life, have marked me and my elders and my children because of internment and unneccesary cruelty and sadism and plain murder in my early childhood, because of war and our viewpoint about war and other things in life are different than those who have never experienced internment and never watched what we watched and whose childhood and further life has never been effected by it.

One of the books which deals with personal spirit guides is written by a very nice and in my eyes, kind person, She is also a Quaker woman and a Shaman.. She has written I think many books, although I have only one of her books in my personal posession. (I have not been able to purchase any of her other books, as I am having to choose between taking courses and buying books!)Tis: Companions in Spirit and her name is: Leah Maggie Garfield. she is an American-Indian as well and still teaches courses for women to become Shamans. However, some of the information, which she wrote in this particular book is already old and well know information. The book was brought out in 1987 I believe and the rest of my information, I do get it from the Netherlands and Germany.. Where a lot of experienced and reputable clairvoyants have written books on this same subjects. So i couldn't even begin to tell you, which the other books are, as I have been privilaged in getting copies of research papers and copies of books printed in those languages, before they were brought out on the market as books. I do know that the books have been brought out, except that I don't know the titles of these books and tis unlikely that they have been translated even in the English language. Over the years I have found that ones horizon enlarges, if one is able to read, speak and write more than one language, as one is able to read material written in other languages as well.
Greets from that old brush

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Registered: 01-03-2005
Wed, 03-08-2006 - 5:49am

Oh fair maiden.


Oh my, one of those questions to test everyone's faith and beliefs as well as the ethics of the question.


Should we, do we have the right to die with dignity?


I believe we should do but do we, sadly in most countries the answer is no. How strange that in some Countries they will execute people for various crimes but they will not allow their citizens to die with dignity as and when they choose.


To

Oz.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 03-08-2006 - 8:36am
Thank you both for your long, heartfelt comments. As a nurse i have also seen my share, I took many oncology private cases and feel like I have lived peoples' deaths with them. I also worked at Children's hospital. saw enough there. This planet isn't meant to be easy, what can ya do? hopefully that day will come that is mentioned in books etc that 2012 stuff where the world will be a better place. If it will be so great anmd loving here, will there be lessons, why not stay on the other side and not come back. Love, Leila
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Registered: 04-13-2003
Wed, 03-08-2006 - 9:47am

"Why not stay on the other side?"

aaah, That to me is THE question!! Perhaps? you are ready to do some trodding along a different path?

Tis question like the ones you posed, Leila, are what got me on a different path, many decenias ago.. and also I have to add, the adat of my own Indonesian-Dutch culture.

Sometimes, I am pulled different ways, because of my "humanness" and my own fears.. But my spiritguide is encouraging me to become more couageous and see things from a different angle..

I can see the other side of the coin and it does make sense.. Yet my human path is still making me struggle with some concepts. As Oz is able to form or voice what I am thinking as well, so marvellously, I have to admit? Tis still a struggle.

Tis not easy to leave our humanness behind and go wholy and purely on that other path, as it makes this path on this side of the dimension then useless. as the reason that we are here at this side in this human life is to learn all sorts of lessons and experiences..

Nevertheless, it doesn't make those experiences any the easier. It does make one think differently though and perhaps judge less.

I can truly encourage you to read some of the material that is available at this side of the pond, on the subject of the soul, like for instance: the Seat of the Soul and books like it, or even: the books by Dave Millman!! If nothing else? just trying teleporting is already great fun and in my case has been a great help and solution at times.. hihi, even my desperate hub tried it one day, when he was making the shelf for my buddha outside and lost his key..
Him and our neighbour, were looking for it, when my hub, just stood still and did that visualizing on his key.. Just before he started he called me out to help him with it.. And we did.. the neighbour, just took off, once he saw the results of that teleporting.. he's been tippytoeing around us, when we're outside and has caused me no end of fun.

Just try your step on the path of us as souls in human lives and you might yet find a new adventure on your path!
good luck, from brush

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 03-08-2006 - 7:37pm
"paths as souls in human lives" That's my belief. I have read Gary Zucov's book and everything I could get my hands on. Met brian weiss in person and even tried a between lives regression. I have a house full of " new agey" books. Sure, we are here for experiences. I will go into conference with my guides ( I know all their names) and tell them I don't want to come back. I think I've been here enough. Love, Leila
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Registered: 03-14-2004
Wed, 03-08-2006 - 8:47pm

I have a slight problem with the death by choice one. The reason is that a while back I suffered from Major depression. I thought about death all the time and now I am so happy to be alive, most of the time. I guess my point is that if there would have been death by choice, I seriously doubt that I would be alive today.

Be gentle with yourself. Be kind to yourself.


You may not be perfect, but you are all You've got to work with.


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