What is sin?

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What is sin?
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Mon, 09-11-2006 - 6:34pm

Someone posted in another thread about sin, and it triggered this question:  What do you think sin is?  What do you do about it?


I'm looking forward to a great interchange of ideas!


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Registered: 03-09-2001
In reply to: cl_binkeebee
Thu, 09-14-2006 - 1:57pm

Thanks for your understanding my post. I'm glad I didn't offend you. It was not my intention. Just trying to help. ;))

Gypsy



Blessings,

Gypsy

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Registered: 10-07-2003
In reply to: cl_binkeebee
Thu, 09-14-2006 - 2:10pm
I don't think most people on here are out to offend others. I'm glad that you addressed my way of wording my messages rather than what I believe in.
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Registered: 08-09-2005
In reply to: cl_binkeebee
Thu, 09-14-2006 - 2:22pm

Your explanation was much better than mine :-) I'm not one for PCness, I'm afraid!


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Registered: 03-09-2001
In reply to: cl_binkeebee
Thu, 09-14-2006 - 3:52pm

My approach to religion, spiritual paths, philosophy is that all paths are valid. We all make up the wholeness of Spirit, and we choose individual ways to evolve as Spirit. Religions, philosophy, spiritualty are our tools to do so in this physical plane. I would no more feel one path is better than another, than tell people they should be Pagan. ;) it's not my place or right. Each person chooses their own. I see all the religions/spiritual paths/philosophies as part of a beautiful tapestry, we are all woven together as part of it, each adding our own uniqueness to the Whole.

Anyway, that's how I view it. :D

Gypsy



Blessings,

Gypsy

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Registered: 04-22-2003
In reply to: cl_binkeebee
Thu, 09-14-2006 - 4:24pm

I agree...


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Registered: 10-07-2003
In reply to: cl_binkeebee
Fri, 09-15-2006 - 12:22am

It's great that while you have your pagan believes, you still see other paths as valid. I see how your religion allows that because you believe that we all evolve on our own, without any specific "instructions" from God/Goddess on how its done. If your God and Goddess whom you have no doubt exist were to say to you, "All of creation must not eat meat, otherwise you would never evolve as Spirits." Could you still be happy for people that eat meat and tell them that their choice is also valid? Christianity is God centered, we submit to a God that is active in our lives in guiding us on how to live according to His will. In fact, many Christians will tell you that its not about us, its all about God. We don't become what God wants by doing it our way, we do it by obeying God, and he gave us specific instructions, the first step is to believe in Jesus Christ. So while validating other religions is part of your belief system, it is not ours. So for us to NOT be absolute about God would be asking us to abandon our religion.

The belief that all paths are valid IS a belief in itself, and its directly contradictory to the Christian belief that all paths are NOT valid.

Therefore, people that call Christians intolerant are just as intolerant themselves.

IMO, I don't think tolerance means that you have to validate everyone's belief, it means that you understand their believes and accept that that's what they believe in.

ps. I'm not directing this towards you Gypsy, since I don't know if you are against Christian believes or not.

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Registered: 03-09-2001
In reply to: cl_binkeebee
Fri, 09-15-2006 - 12:20pm

"If your God and Goddess whom you have no doubt exist were to say to you, "All of creation must not eat meat, otherwise you would never evolve as Spirits." Could you still be happy for people that eat meat and tell them that their choice is also valid? "

***Well, my God and Goddess have one edict, "Harm None," which includes ourselves. They don't do specifics. ;)) That's up to us to discern through Karma and our Incarnations. Different lessons in different lifetimes. In this one, I know Wiccans who are strictly vegetarian, yet eating plants often kills the plant right? So something living must die for our sustenance, else we would perish ourselves, physically speaking. I do eat meat. When I am in my kitchen cooking, I try to be in a spiritual mode, to bless and thank the animal who gave its life and whose meat we will eat (and I try to afford organic meat from animals in a healthy environment before they are butchered, so I know they are not suffering as are the animals in general meat industry), as well as the plants. To in turn thank the Goddess and God for the sustenance we are going to eat. Gratitude. Appreciating lives given for me to live. However, as I respect those, of many religious paths, by the way, who forego eating meat, I don't feel guilty that I do not do the same. It's a personal interpretation of one's spiritual path and values, and one's personal choice. IMO.

"IMO, I don't think tolerance means that you have to validate everyone's belief, it means that you understand their believes and accept that that's what they believe in."

***For me the word tolerance has come to mean, live and let live, IN PEACE. Live alongside others who believe differently, understand they are on their own spiritual evolutionary path, and they are doing what they need to do at this time. Tolerance doesn't mean that I fully agree with other belief systems, either. It does mean I acknowledge that if I want to be free to peacefully pursue my own spiritual path, I must grant that respect and freedom to others, on THEIR paths as well. The minute I limit that freedom for others, I diminish my own freedoms, and my own journey, as well.

Gypsy



Blessings,

Gypsy

)O(



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Registered: 05-12-2003
In reply to: cl_binkeebee
Fri, 09-15-2006 - 12:56pm

Just sharing this comment from another board in a discussion about sin:

"Sin is the idea placed upon us when we do not meet another's expectation of what we should be."

I know what it's like to not meet other's expectations. Years ago when I was searching and I joined a Christian church, a man (11 yrs older than me) asked me out on a date. I wasn't interested in settling at the time. And he was shocked when he realized how liberal thinking I was. He tole me I was evil. That left a sting in my heart for a while, my father was enraged with his behavior told me to never go back to this church. And I didn't return. But I can't forget the way that man made me feel. I was more ashamed of his reaction more than anything else.

-gnd-

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Registered: 08-09-2005
In reply to: cl_binkeebee
Fri, 09-15-2006 - 1:33pm

>The belief that all paths are valid IS a belief in itself, and its directly contradictory to the Christian belief that all paths are NOT valid.


Therefore, people that call Christians intolerant are just as intolerant themselves.<


I can't find any integrity to this statement. It's like saying-- Do not judge! But those of you who don't judge are judgemental.

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